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well hello Leo welcome to the show thank

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you very much yes

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um I had we had just a couple minutes to

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talk ahead of the show and I okay I

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think I mentioned

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to could you get a little bit closer to

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the phone the show producer is saying

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you just need to be a little bit closer

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if you would how is this is that better

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oh I can tell yes that's that's real

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good thank you okay

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I have heard your name since I started

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looking at this topic your name comes up

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all the time okay you've been around a

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long time yeah

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um can you go into your background if

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you would how you got interested in the

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topic and basically I'd really be

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interested in

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um you know first of all how you get

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interested but what what was the first

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um you know case or whatever that you

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looked into

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you know I got interested because of my

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own experiences

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when I was a child I had experiences I

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couldn't understand explain you know

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nightmares and later as I got older I

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was able to understand more about

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what had happened but consciously the

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first uh event was in 1949 when a buddy

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and I

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at the University of Colorado we were

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students there we had a sighting we were

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walking along the campus near the Arts

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and Science

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building

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and we were playing this little game

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because we had heard a speaker talk

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about science and reality and what's

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true and what's not true and so we were

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playing this little game what do you see

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over there well I call it the treat well

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how do you describe it well it's got the

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trunk and it's got branches and it's got

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leaves

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I think it has roots but I can't see

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them because they're under the ground

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and then my friend looked at me what do

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you see over there and what was it well

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I looked at it

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it wasn't an airplane it wasn't a

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balloon it looked elliptical like a lens

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and there was a light

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gleaming on the edge and if the sunlight

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was reflecting on

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so we talked about it but we didn't want

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to tell anybody else because flying

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sausages in 1949 worked and readily

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accepted by the public

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then my wife and I had a sighting after

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I came back from Germany

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I'd been when I graduated I went into

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U.S army overseas and came back and

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in graduate school the University of

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Colorado Boulder

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and we were coming back from Denver one

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evening we were on top of the hill

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looking over the valley

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and we saw this strange light and he

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would hover and it would move it would

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hover and move well it wasn't an

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airplane

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we didn't know what it was

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we saw several car lights down below I

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assumed other people were stopping like

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we did and getting out and looking at it

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I've been after a while it went to North

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and disappeared from View

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but the feeling I had inside was okay

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twice now I've been given an opportunity

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to see something anomalous

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so I knew that I had to study the

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phenomena I also knew that it'd be

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lonely and perceived as weird oh really

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yeah so I said okay let's get a

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doctorate and

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so that way instead of being crazy

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you're just merely eccentric and so so I

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went to the University of Missouri and

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graduated with a PhD doctor in

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philosophy and especially in counseling

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in 1961 went to the University of North

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and after I had the results of the

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dissertation published I I studied the

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permanence of vocational interests and

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based upon measured vocational interests

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after I had that publisher then I

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started doing UFO studies I wrote to

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various people

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can you pardon me can you tell me

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approximately what year that that was

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right after yeah yeah uh 1962 I went to

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1961 when I graduated

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then went to North Dakota and so it was

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63 I became

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invested in UFO research I

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I developed a little

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survey asking people their background

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educational vocational background and

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what they saw what they observed how

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they responded to it

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so I got a several sets of surveys

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including Betty and Barney Hill because

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their case came out about that time

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right yep and uh then uh in

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uh 64 and 60 you know 62 63 for uh I not

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only started surveying people but I

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joined organizations I joined what was

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called April aerial phenomena research

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organization out of Arizona

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Jim and Corolla engine and uh Nike cap

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the national investigations committee on

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aerial phenomena those two organizations

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are later folded and so I

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consulted the people in mufon mutual UFO

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Network plus other groups so it's been

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an interesting history wow wow yeah I

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have I have a lot of questions but I

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just want to say to people who are

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listening live a couple things um you

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can jump over to podcast

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ufo.com and on the Left Right sidebar

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you can jump in our chat room and ask Dr

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Leo sprinkle some questions also you can

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call into the show if you'd like and

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and I also forgot to uh mention that we

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are going to be talking an hour two

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more about um we're going to go off the

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UFO topic a little bit now or two and

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talk about some other things that um uh

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Dr sprinkle has been interested in

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um free energy ideas uh nickolo uh uh

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Nicola tester a Tesla and some other

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things as well so

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um now going back to Betty and Barney

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Hill did you actually invest investigate

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that case

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yes they were willing to fill out the

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information about their experience and

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then later I had the opportunity

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to talk with them on a New York

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TV program in 1966. interesting thing

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happened uh Dr Carl Sagan and others

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were there when we were interviewing

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uh Betty and Barney Hill and uh

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at one point uh Dr Carl Sagan uh turned

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Betty Hill he said now Mrs Hill he said

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you say that your memory

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based upon the hypnosis session with Dr

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Benjamin Simon he was a psychiatrist

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that they went to to help him understand

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more about their experience he said you

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say you remember being on an examining

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table and uh

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the Extraterrestrial was examining you

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with a probe in their navel and she said

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any kind of smile in his Charming way

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and he said no we're all amateur

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psychologists here and then he glances

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at me and he said oh I'm sorry about

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that you know I said that's how my

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friends think of me as an amateur

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psychologist he was about to tell her

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that there was a psychological

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explanation for her experience I thought

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that was arrogant

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so even though he was Charming when he

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did it uh I still feel like it was an

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indication of how he was rejecting what

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she claimed was a

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physical onboard experience

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so that taught me something along with

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that same year I was at a New York TV

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it was intriguing because the

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the name of the TV program was flying

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saucers a fact or fiction

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in those days the game was played

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between two groups of people one were

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the one group was labeled Skeptics and

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one group was labeled Believers and the

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Believers we were kind of muddled headed

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and we didn't really know what we were

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astronomical phenomena Etc

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whereas the Skeptics were portrayed as

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not only intelligent and educated but

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also as much more in tune with what was

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all over the years the game changed from

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and debunkers we found out that some

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people were paid to make light of this

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and to make people afraid to talk about

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their experiences or as some of the

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Believers were also knowers some of us

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had been on board craft and talked with

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ETS and so the game changed and then of

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talk about that publicly because the

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the Air Force representatives and others

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it wasn't until just more recently that

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people are becoming beginning to not

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only be observers but Witnesses they not

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only see flying saucers and they they

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see extraterrestrials but they also

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testify to their experience and then

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some of the Witnesses are also reporters

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that are writing their stories

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giving people information about what

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they have experienced so that's a very

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wow we have a couple of questions up on

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the message board and again people are

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welcome to call in if they want

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603-967-4030

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they want to know

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were you the first psychologist to use

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hypnosis with abductees

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as far as I know there may have been

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a psychologist in the U.S Air Force who

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were using hypnosis but unknown publicly

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that's a possibility so I don't know

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whether on the first but of course Dr

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but in Barney Hill 61 and I didn't start

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hypnosis until in the middle 60s after I

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had to gathered information from

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many people than I realized and talking

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with Betty and Bonnie Hill at that TV

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program in 66

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that Dr Simon had helped him with

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hypnosis at all well I know hypnosis so

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I'll help people and so I started

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working with a a guy in Boulder Colorado

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about his experience

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and then when herb Sherman I don't know

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if you've heard that name but he was a

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patrolman for the Nebraska State Highway

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and he went to the University of

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Colorado

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during the con and committee and I think

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that was in 68. I had an opportunity to

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interview him

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and see if hypnosis would be helpful he

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was nervous because it was on you know

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televised and

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I and so we got some information and

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and got more information

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known yeah

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um the show producer is asking you if

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you could move a little bit closer to

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the mic again

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all right I know it's always hard to

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stay in the habit um but um

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did you did you ever speak to Dr Simon

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about uh the Betty and Barney Hill no I

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didn't have that opportunity uh just

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talked with them on the TV program

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I see okay and

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um do you remember the

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um excuse me you said it's a possibility

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that in the Air Force someone may have

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been using hypnotism would that possibly

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be in either like a project sign or blue

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book or anything like that or a

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different part the possibilities there

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have been people who are called insiders

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who have talked about their experience

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and some people have said that there

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were not only

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dead bodies on the Roswell crash but

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also

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they're uh

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were some entities were alive and so it

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may be that there were psychologists or

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other trained professionals who

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interviewed the E.T in that regard more

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recently there's some interesting people

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who have

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combined their experiences there's a

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woman named Jacqueline Smith out of Ohio

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she she's written a couple of books on

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animal communication there's a woman

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named Judy Carroll from Australia

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and a woman that I interviewed many

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years ago Sunny Sato she lives in

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Colorado

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and Ulrich editor of

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a little Journal called Star Beacon

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introduced me to her

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she had described her memory of a

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previous lifetime when she was an

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extraterrestrial

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and she's written a couple of books on

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her Memories One called Stranded on

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Earth

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where she felt that she was an

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extraterrestrial a gray what some people

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call it Zeta a little gray humanoid uh

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piloting craft

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that Christ in Roswell New Mexico well

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now on Jacqueline Smith and Judy Carroll

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have kind of teamed up they're both

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bright people I haven't met Judy Carroll

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but she's hoping to come to the U.S from

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Australia

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either this year or next year and

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they are

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recalling what they feel were past lives

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as crew members on Craft that crashed in

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Roswell

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it's intriguing to me because they seem

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to have not only similar memories but

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they also seem to have similar intent

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and that is like so many people who are

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so-called

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ET experiences or starseed or contactees

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or whatever one calls themselves they

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seem to have the intent that they are

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here to assist Humanity

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to not only recognize its past from the

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stars but that now we're ready to start

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moving back into the Stars and so they

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want to be on the side of those who are

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peaceful rather than those who are

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exploiting what

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seems to be the resources of the planet

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and what seemed to be the

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main human interest some people talk

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about

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what's called the Anunnaki the ancient

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et's who came down from the sky

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ETS were both good and bad and from the

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standpoint of humanity both

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uh the Martians who supposedly

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set up shop in Atlantis

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Northern

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Hemisphere and then the

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the Notions who supposedly

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had a civilization Memorial in South

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Pacific

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two different groups and according to

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Zachariah sitchin who

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was born in Russia grew up in England

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and for a while I was living in the U.S

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he he was one among the few who could

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read the ancient script or the symbols

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of those ancient Scrolls and according

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to his interpretation

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the

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venetians settled open now when limuri

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went down they settled in uh

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on the southern Egypt and high up in the

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mountains and the Martians uh settled in

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Northern Egypt down in the valley next

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to the Mediterranean Sea so according to

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that theory or that history

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there were both

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remnants of the of Atlantis Marsh and

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Mars and remnants of

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Venus and Memoria in Egypt

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well then Along Comes

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one of the Kings Kings Tata who claims

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that there is only one God

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and the Jews

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uh following Moses had the same view

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as you know from the Commandments Thou

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shalt have no other gods before me I

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mean meaning that on Earth the big God

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was Jehovah the ET who had the most

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strength and most Authority compared to

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the other gods

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it's an interesting question and that

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maybe someday we can sit down with

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deities and asked them if that's the way

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it happened

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yeah this is all speculation there's

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some there's some interesting uh ideas

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out there for sure

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um let's see we have another message up

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on the

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that I actually know someone I'm I'm

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kind of close to someone that

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um told me that when she was a ever

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since she was a little girl and still

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continuing to this day she feels like

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she is from another planet and I thought

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and in every other aspect about this

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person she's perfectly normal that I've

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always seen it it's really um

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um and she never said anything to me

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about this until I started you know

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exploring this topic and going into it

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but uh she she says I just want to go

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home she actually says yeah she actually

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feels that way you know many people feel

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that they want to go home and some

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people will describe their encounter

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with an E.T as scary frightening feel

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like they've been examined other people

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feel like they are being visited by

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the Home Folks and that they are here

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and kind of pioneers or kind of settlers

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to help Humanity Orient itself and

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return to the stars and so some of those

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people will say once they

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recall about what happened during the

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encounter there's a feeling ahead is

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that they want to go back with the

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80s I had a young man a football player

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in college

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who had a strange experience while he

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was the teenager and he wanted to

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remember more about it I remember he was

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sitting in my chair and the chair was

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being rocked back and forth and I was

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afraid the chair was going to break

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because he took a 200 pound plus guy

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with his football body and a bright nice

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guy but his memory was not of fear

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uh his memory was of

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coming down from the stairs of his

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friend's house going outside seeing a

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flying saucer and

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and seeing his family and so

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his feelings were

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sadness when they went away

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wow um let's see the message up on the

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board here is

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you mentioned early experiences um by

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you know seeing sightings did you ever

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have any feelings of being abducted

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yourself

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I don't call it an abduction because

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abduction has various connotations

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that's why Jay Dr jail and heineck this

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this he started calling encounters now

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when I was growing after I'd worked with

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many people I went through hypnosis with

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another psychologist went back to a

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five-year-old experience what I felt

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like I was on board

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talking to extraterrestrial and tall guy

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and uh kind of a spacesuit is a hand on

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my right shoulder and he was saying to

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me Leo learn to read and write well

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when you grow up you can help other

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people learn more about their purpose so

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I feel like I've been trained or guided

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or taught whatever you want to call it

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as part of my history now your you you

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have a um a schooling background you

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were involved and the investigation were

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you at that throughout all this did you

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also have a career going on in teaching

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or whatever it is uh you know I have no

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philosophy is kind of a narrow field as

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far as

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um what you do in the world but did you

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ever stay in that uh field study I was

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trained as a psychologist oh okay to the

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University of North Dakota

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for both teaching classes and the

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counseling experiences and then I uh in

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64. I was in 61 when I was in North

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Dakota in 64. I came to the University

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of Wyoming

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I was primarily teaching that time what

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they call the guidance Institute

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then after that first year

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I was in both the psychology department

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and the

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um

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what they call the accounting and

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guidance

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in 65 and then I started in the

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Counseling Center

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for 13 years I was a director of the

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Counseling Center

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with both administrative duties as well

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as teaching and and their counseling uh

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most of the courses that I taught were

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graduate students from the first well

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although I did have some undergraduate

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large classes that I taught from time to

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time so

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at the later years

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uh

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the the director of student life the

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dean of students

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a good Christian man very bright and man

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but he was upset by my UFO research I

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mean when I tried to go from assistant

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to associate professor of psychology

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that was given tried to go from

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associate professor to a full Professor

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when I was in front of all of the

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Department of psychology faculty

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dozen or so guys and my application was

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rejected one fellow tried to

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00:25:18,529 --> 00:25:16,320
help me he said allele if you'll do this

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00:25:20,690 --> 00:25:18,539
kind of a study and that kind of a study

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00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:20,700
then you can get those research results

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published and then you can be professor

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I said well I have my own uh interest he

539
00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:29,100
looked at me kind of puzzled he said

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this UFO

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um is is this like a hobby and I laughed

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00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:38,760
and I said no it's more of a compulsion

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and he he said oh you're serious I said

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oh yeah I I joke but I'm serious this is

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what I do

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and uh it was it got to the point where

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the dean

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kind of brought me in in front of

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somebody else and and in

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writing her and in person he told me

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that

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I should no longer engage in

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00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:06,000
UFO research or reincarnation research

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during office hours

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because I was a professor which meant I

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could uh you know do any kind of

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research I wanted to do but I was also a

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staff member of the Counseling Center I

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had resigned as a

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director and an is just a staff

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psychologist there

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and uh so I said oh okay I know how to

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00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:29,820
play this game I'll wait until five

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o'clock before I do my UFO or

565
00:26:35,930 --> 00:26:34,440
reincarnation research for example I was

566
00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:35,940
working with a young man who was a

567
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:37,140
cutter

568
00:26:43,250 --> 00:26:39,900
he would take a razor blade and you'd

569
00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:43,260
slice the his arm or his shoulder

570
00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:46,020
and uh

571
00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:49,080
when the residence hall counter

572
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,200
and I saw him bleeding one time he

573
00:26:57,789 --> 00:26:54,960
referred the young man to me this young

574
00:27:01,250 --> 00:26:57,799
man was so bright his scores

575
00:27:03,049 --> 00:27:01,260
academic aptitude test scores were much

576
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:03,059
higher than the

577
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:04,980
average student they're much higher than

578
00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:06,900
the average Professor he was much

579
00:27:11,890 --> 00:27:08,340
brighter than I am

580
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:11,900
and so we sat down and I looked at his

581
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:15,360
case history he'd been to a psychiatrist

582
00:27:17,930 --> 00:27:16,559
he'd been to a couple of other

583
00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:17,940
psychologists

584
00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:19,500
so I knew that I was gonna have to do

585
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,240
something different I said well let's uh

586
00:27:25,250 --> 00:27:23,760
learn self-hypnosis

587
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,260
he looked at me and he said why should

588
00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:27,360
we learn self-hypnosis

589
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,860
I said well we know you're going to cut

590
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,480
yourself so we want you to be able to

591
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:33,120
focus and really do a good job well he

592
00:27:35,810 --> 00:27:34,559
had a good sense of humor and so he

593
00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:35,820
laughed he said okay

594
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:39,419
so the more we got into self-hypnosis I

595
00:27:42,110 --> 00:27:40,919
don't know the more we got into past

596
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:42,120
lives

597
00:27:48,409 --> 00:27:45,900
where he was a swordsman and an

598
00:27:50,450 --> 00:27:48,419
excellent swordsman he would cut others

599
00:27:54,409 --> 00:27:50,460
down others who try to cut him

600
00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:54,419
and so he had this propensity

601
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:58,440
uh to be on the defensive or on the

602
00:28:03,710 --> 00:27:59,940
offensive depending on how you look at

603
00:28:06,830 --> 00:28:03,720
it regarding other people he was so

604
00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:06,840
bright he had three years he got an

605
00:28:11,630 --> 00:28:09,539
undergraduate degree he was working on a

606
00:28:12,850 --> 00:28:11,640
law degree he's going to become an

607
00:28:18,049 --> 00:28:12,860
international

608
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:18,059
Banker or a business person and

609
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,120
um so uh when he found out

610
00:28:27,769 --> 00:28:26,159
what was going on he recognized what was

611
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,779
happening within him

612
00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:30,480
he was not only bright he was psychic he

613
00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:32,820
could sense other people and their

614
00:28:36,769 --> 00:28:33,960
attitude

615
00:28:38,690 --> 00:28:36,779
and he would make comments

616
00:28:40,510 --> 00:28:38,700
showing that he knew what was going on

617
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,520
and sometimes if people were

618
00:28:45,169 --> 00:28:42,840
antagonistic well he would

619
00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:45,179
say sharp things and they would say

620
00:28:49,850 --> 00:28:47,340
sharp things and then he would go back

621
00:28:51,049 --> 00:28:49,860
home to his residence hall room and he

622
00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:51,059
would cut himself

623
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:55,080
and so we realized that in the Nexus the

624
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:58,140
the topic the uh what was going on was

625
00:29:00,649 --> 00:28:59,279
that he

626
00:29:03,169 --> 00:29:00,659
thought it would be better to cut

627
00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:03,179
himself than to cut somebody else

628
00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:06,900
which is very moral but it's also a

629
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:10,980
waste of razor blades and blood so

630
00:29:16,909 --> 00:29:14,220
so he I encourage him to use his sharp

631
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:16,919
tongue to cut other people's argument

632
00:29:24,169 --> 00:29:21,539
rather than to cut himself with uh

633
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,179
a knife or a razor blade

634
00:29:30,190 --> 00:29:26,159
never did find out what happened to him

635
00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:30,200
but maybe someday he'll recognize that

636
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:34,860
he's he's using his tongue and rather

637
00:29:40,430 --> 00:29:37,919
than using a blade for his weapon

638
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:40,440
right yeah it really is it was really a

639
00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:43,320
sad thing when when that happens

640
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,690
boy I had um I had a message and I I

641
00:29:54,769 --> 00:29:52,320
just can't find it someone had a

642
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:54,779
question uh Matthew hang on just a

643
00:30:00,529 --> 00:29:57,679
second oh yes have you had any other

644
00:30:02,570 --> 00:30:00,539
encounters more recent than those two or

645
00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:02,580
is that it

646
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:06,059
or people are calling me all the time a

647
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:07,020
young man

648
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:10,559
from Michigan has written a book about

649
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:14,399
his experiences in a uh

650
00:30:22,669 --> 00:30:18,720
and then being a Zeta uh uh I'm getting

651
00:30:24,529 --> 00:30:22,679
calls now there were the one that was

652
00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:24,539
probably more interesting from a

653
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:26,700
historical standpoint was Travis Walton

654
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:29,520
and then the Apple people Jim and coral

655
00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:31,500
revenge and sent me to talk with him

656
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,020
shortly after his experience now this

657
00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:36,080
next

658
00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:38,820
November or December camera when it is

659
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:40,380
there's going to be a conference 40

660
00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:46,389
where people will be talking about

661
00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:50,940
his book in the movie Fire in the Sky so

662
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:53,159
there I've talked with thousands of

663
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:57,360
people and what's exciting to me is that

664
00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:58,559
more and more people are not only

665
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:01,080
willing to talk confidentially

666
00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:02,880
but more and more people are willing to

667
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:04,980
talk openly or publicly

668
00:31:11,889 --> 00:31:09,299
right now uh Travis just had a new uh

669
00:31:15,049 --> 00:31:11,899
documentary or film that just came out

670
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:15,059
just very recently I believe it's being

671
00:31:20,029 --> 00:31:18,600
shown at a film festival and from what I

672
00:31:23,330 --> 00:31:20,039
understand it's

673
00:31:26,029 --> 00:31:23,340
um he hadn't seen I spoke with him a a

674
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:26,039
maybe a month and a half ago he hadn't

675
00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:27,240
seen it yet

676
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,340
um but he said before it went on the

677
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:31,679
cutting floor before it was edited he

678
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:33,480
said they were doing a really accurate

679
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,820
and good job so I'll be very interested

680
00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:37,919
in seeing that yeah he was concerned

681
00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:40,140
about the other movie because he felt

682
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:41,399
like there were some things that were

683
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:44,640
not accurate yes he's mentioned that um

684
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:47,100
to me also but thought it was better

685
00:31:55,970 --> 00:31:51,120
being done than not um you know

686
00:31:58,430 --> 00:31:55,980
take some Grace with that so those are

687
00:32:00,889 --> 00:31:58,440
those are kind of iconic cases both of

688
00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:00,899
the ones you have talked about did you

689
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,740
ever speak to the Allagash people Jim uh

690
00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:06,720
Jim and Jack Weiner and

691
00:32:12,289 --> 00:32:09,720
uh uh Chuck uh faults or any of those

692
00:32:14,990 --> 00:32:12,299
people no I haven't talked to them yeah

693
00:32:18,049 --> 00:32:15,000
what are some other cases that you can

694
00:32:21,889 --> 00:32:18,059
mention that um you looked into between

695
00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:21,899
1980 and 2000 uh

696
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,020
and we held uh what we call the Rocky

697
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:26,880
Mountain UFO conference

698
00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:29,640
at the University of Wyoming here in

699
00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:32,820
Laramie Wyoming I left the university in

700
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,860
89 I couldn't handle the pressure

701
00:32:39,769 --> 00:32:37,039
anymore but

702
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:39,779
some people are willing to continue with

703
00:32:45,769 --> 00:32:41,460
the program

704
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:45,779
Dr June Parnell she did her dissertation

705
00:32:51,529 --> 00:32:49,440
with cases that I had worked with

706
00:32:54,529 --> 00:32:51,539
and I worked with people who not only

707
00:32:57,470 --> 00:32:54,539
were willing to talk about their

708
00:32:59,090 --> 00:32:57,480
background and their encounters but they

709
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:59,100
were also willing to take personality

710
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,240
inventories

711
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:02,399
so that we could compare their

712
00:33:09,289 --> 00:33:05,880
personality profile

713
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:09,299
with the general public or the general

714
00:33:15,649 --> 00:33:13,919
who examined individuals with what she

715
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:15,659
found was that these people are quote

716
00:33:20,930 --> 00:33:18,960
normal unquote in a psychological sense

717
00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:20,940
in fact in some ways they're kind of

718
00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:26,649
there were some

719
00:33:31,730 --> 00:33:29,700
profiles that showed their kind of a

720
00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:31,740
suspicious nature kind of a heightened

721
00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:33,059
awareness

722
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:35,220
but uh

723
00:33:40,610 --> 00:33:38,220
in terms of intelligence and education

724
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,620
more women than men were willing to

725
00:33:44,049 --> 00:33:42,480
complete the

726
00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:44,059
surveys

727
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,220
but in general these people would be

728
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:49,679
perceived as

729
00:33:54,830 --> 00:33:53,640
a good good person you know Masters I

730
00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:54,840
mean uh

731
00:34:01,370 --> 00:33:58,740
college graduate level some with uh

732
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,380
with graduate courses study so

733
00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:04,320
so not only bright and educated but also

734
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:08,040
uh with strengths of various kind along

735
00:34:16,129 --> 00:34:10,619
with the suspicious

736
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:16,139
on our skeptical nature so uh what we

737
00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:19,679
found in that series of conferences

738
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:22,500
between 1980 and 2000

739
00:34:28,010 --> 00:34:25,320
every year start off with 100 150 people

740
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:28,020
and it could be two 300 people

741
00:34:34,669 --> 00:34:31,520
most of them were not only willing to

742
00:34:38,089 --> 00:34:34,679
share their experiences with one another

743
00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:38,099
they're willing to stand up and uh and

744
00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:39,780
talk in front of everybody I'm number

745
00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:40,500
one

746
00:34:52,010 --> 00:34:47,159
shaking he said I belong to a club that

747
00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:52,020
uh and it talks publicly you know and

748
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:53,820
yet talking about his own personal

749
00:34:58,010 --> 00:34:56,339
experience was a little different and I

750
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:58,020
remember a couple of women who were

751
00:35:02,329 --> 00:34:59,280
interesting

752
00:35:04,370 --> 00:35:02,339
a mother and a daughter her mother was a

753
00:35:07,370 --> 00:35:04,380
teacher in New Mexico the daughter was a

754
00:35:09,530 --> 00:35:07,380
psychiatric social worker in California

755
00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:09,540
and they came back the following year

756
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,339
that they were there and they said

757
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:13,920
they'd each talk with each other

758
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:16,500
about their hybrid children they had not

759
00:35:20,569 --> 00:35:19,260
been able to be courageous enough to

760
00:35:22,810 --> 00:35:20,579
tell each other what they had

761
00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:22,820
experienced

762
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,980
as many women have said they felt like

763
00:35:30,109 --> 00:35:28,160
they became pregnant

764
00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:30,119
but not

765
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,540
at the human level the

766
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:35,280
the

767
00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:38,400
gestation period was cut short

768
00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:41,099
fetus seem to be taken away

769
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:43,560
and they talked about it and then later

770
00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:45,180
they came back the next year they had

771
00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:47,339
written a book called healing shattered

772
00:35:51,470 --> 00:35:49,800
reality in which they discussed their

773
00:35:55,849 --> 00:35:51,480
experience

774
00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:55,859
and so there are many courageous men and

775
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,200
women who are

776
00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:01,200
not only willing to share their

777
00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:03,660
experience but also they feel that they

778
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:04,380
are

779
00:36:11,329 --> 00:36:07,440
helping Humanity to get ready for the

780
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,339
next leap in our Evolution that we will

781
00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:13,680
recognize not only have we come from the

782
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,540
stars but we're getting ready to go back

783
00:36:19,609 --> 00:36:18,000
to the Stars we have a question I'm

784
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,619
going to get to in just a second on the

785
00:36:24,589 --> 00:36:22,079
message board okay well actually why

786
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:24,599
don't I just ask it right now and okay

787
00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:26,940
and that is up can you elaborate um when

788
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:28,680
you were talking earlier earlier on

789
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:31,140
heightened awareness

790
00:36:36,650 --> 00:36:35,760
yeah uh according to my guides and I

791
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:36,660
don't know if they know what they're

792
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:41,160
talking about but uh I'm told in my

793
00:36:45,530 --> 00:36:42,540
meditation

794
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:45,540
that there is uh some people called a

795
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:47,220
change points some people call it

796
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:48,960
transformation

797
00:36:52,670 --> 00:36:51,359
uh some people call it the day of

798
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:52,680
Declaration

799
00:37:02,390 --> 00:36:57,599
uh this supposedly not only involves the

800
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:02,400
public political announcement that uh

801
00:37:07,550 --> 00:37:05,820
ETS are here and that they have special

802
00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:07,560
Energies

803
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:09,540
in fact some experts think that that's

804
00:37:13,790 --> 00:37:11,700
the real cover-up the cover-up is not of

805
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:13,800
the EET presidency the cover-up is of

806
00:37:17,329 --> 00:37:16,619
the Energy Technologies that the et's

807
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:17,339
use

808
00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:21,420
technology what some people talk about

809
00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:26,700
is Tesla Nikola Tesla back in the 30s

810
00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:28,680
he and his colleague were driving an

811
00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:30,119
electric car

812
00:37:34,430 --> 00:37:31,800
in New York

813
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:34,440
uh he claimed to get energy from space

814
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:37,760
and then turn it into electricity

815
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,079
there's a couple of people who have

816
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:45,119
developed little generators that do this

817
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:47,820
it's been patented but this information

818
00:37:53,390 --> 00:37:50,820
is generally suppressed because if we

819
00:37:56,890 --> 00:37:53,400
had the so-called free energy we

820
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:56,900
wouldn't need to burn the fossil fuels

821
00:38:01,690 --> 00:38:00,240
in order to create electricity

822
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:01,700
so

823
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:04,560
what everyone calls it the day of

824
00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:07,920
Declaration or the transformation

825
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:12,180
or the change point it seems that

826
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:14,700
some people claim that we are headed

827
00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:16,740
toward this point where

828
00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:19,740
everybody's awareness room will be

829
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:22,020
increased

830
00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:25,140
I'm not sure exactly what that means but

831
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:28,619
it is described by various people as

832
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:31,140
they shift in energy or

833
00:38:38,109 --> 00:38:34,880
or a increased in frequency

834
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:38,119
uh so that um

835
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,760
just like if if you use the analogy of

836
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,920
light if we're walking around it's kind

837
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:45,359
of dim and all of a sudden the lights

838
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:48,480
are turned on or or turned up higher

839
00:38:54,170 --> 00:38:50,700
then we can see what's happening well

840
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:54,180
the same ways if we all raise our

841
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:56,760
Consciousness and recognize that we are

842
00:39:03,770 --> 00:39:00,000
not only human but we're also Souls and

843
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,780
that we're part of not only the planet

844
00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:06,240
of not only the solar system not only

845
00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:08,820
the Galaxy but the whole Cosmos

846
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:12,060
if the if the whole galaxy were to

847
00:39:17,569 --> 00:39:14,579
increase in awareness and maybe what we

848
00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:17,579
call the good guy bad guy scenario

849
00:39:22,370 --> 00:39:20,940
will no longer be

850
00:39:29,089 --> 00:39:22,380
the game

851
00:39:32,050 --> 00:39:29,099
bad cop that is that the

852
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:32,060
ETS are presenting themselves

853
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:35,700
both as quote good unquote and as quote

854
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:39,720
bad unquote uh just like if we thought

855
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:42,240
of ourselves as a we're the Patriarchs

856
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,500
on the planet we're the ones who are

857
00:39:46,730 --> 00:39:45,119
suppressing women and children we're the

858
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:46,740
ones who are polluting the planet

859
00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:49,680
and so the bad cops come and say hey are

860
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,300
you going to join us

861
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:53,280
and we will

862
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:56,280
give you energy well you don't have to

863
00:40:01,790 --> 00:39:58,740
tell the public about it and so some

864
00:40:04,250 --> 00:40:01,800
people say that there is a secret cabal

865
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:04,260
that has developed flying saucers here

866
00:40:09,250 --> 00:40:05,520
on the planet

867
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:09,260
and uh that they are in cahoots with the

868
00:40:15,470 --> 00:40:12,180
Grays or the

869
00:40:17,569 --> 00:40:15,480
um the lizards or different people say

870
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:17,579
different groups of

871
00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:21,660
ETS and then later find out that all the

872
00:40:25,730 --> 00:40:23,220
ETS are working together

873
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:25,740
to help Humanity grow up

874
00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:27,300
wow

875
00:40:32,089 --> 00:40:30,420
um so that that's it say say goodbye if

876
00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:32,099
you went to the first hour we're going

877
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:34,440
into the second hour

878
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:35,880
um but uh

879
00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:39,119
uh yeah thank you and in the second hour

880
00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:40,500
we're going to be talking more about

881
00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:45,240
this idea of possible free energy and I

882
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,940
also want to find out um I have a couple

883
00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:50,160
of questions about abductions and

884
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,680
abductees so that's coming up in hour

885
00:40:58,609 --> 00:40:54,960
two hang in there just one second we

886
00:41:02,220 --> 00:40:58,619
have a quick music break

887
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:02,230
everybody is

888
00:41:31,070 --> 00:41:28,970
[Music]

889
00:41:45,370 --> 00:41:31,080
foreign

890
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,870
yeah that's actually I'm sure that's

891
00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:49,920
part of a movie from Carrie Lloyd

892
00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:53,160
Whitehouse out of Scotland so

893
00:41:58,310 --> 00:41:55,500
um the question I was wanted to ask you

894
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,320
before we got more into

895
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:00,720
um the energy questions is

896
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:03,359
since you've been at this so long what

897
00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:06,420
is your feeling about the increase in

898
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,480
activity in the abductions or if that's

899
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:11,760
even happening or just people are more

900
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,560
free to talk about it what what's your

901
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:15,839
opinion on that you know as far as I

902
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:18,720
know it's not an increase

903
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:22,560
uh it's more of a in terms of numbers of

904
00:42:26,270 --> 00:42:24,420
encounters between the Extraterrestrial

905
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:26,280
craft and

906
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:30,480
and a planetary persons kind of as far

907
00:42:33,710 --> 00:42:31,980
as I can tell it seems like it's an

908
00:42:36,109 --> 00:42:33,720
increase in the number of people who are

909
00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:36,119
willing to report their experience

910
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,520
I've talked to a lot of people who

911
00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:41,280
know some of whom have said they've had

912
00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:43,260
support from their families or their

913
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:45,660
spouse or whatever and other people who

914
00:42:50,829 --> 00:42:47,880
have not had support and so they've been

915
00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:50,839
kind of hiding their story

916
00:42:59,569 --> 00:42:55,500
uh partly uh embarrassed or frightened

917
00:43:04,569 --> 00:42:59,579
but also partly not wanting to cause

918
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:04,579
difficulty for friends and family now

919
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:09,119
some people will go ahead even if it is

920
00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:10,560
not approved

921
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:13,380
by their

922
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:16,640
fellows or their

923
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,180
girlfriends

924
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:20,400
uh it seemed like more and more people

925
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:22,140
willing to talk about their experience

926
00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:23,520
openly

927
00:43:29,329 --> 00:43:25,980
right and there are more groups in

928
00:43:32,170 --> 00:43:29,339
support than ever but um I want to

929
00:43:35,089 --> 00:43:32,180
mention I want to mention in one group

930
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:35,099
along with mufon and the UFO Congress

931
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:37,380
and other people who've been doing work

932
00:43:42,670 --> 00:43:39,900
over the years there's another group

933
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:42,680
recently formed called free

934
00:43:46,970 --> 00:43:45,420
f-r-e-e right yep that stands for

935
00:43:49,809 --> 00:43:46,980
foundation for Research into

936
00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:49,819
extraterrestrial encounters and uh

937
00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:52,680
extraterrestrial experiences and if

938
00:43:57,309 --> 00:43:55,020
people are interested and know how to go

939
00:44:05,089 --> 00:43:57,319
online they can go to

940
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,170
and they formed a science committee and

941
00:44:14,809 --> 00:44:11,760
they formed a survey committee they

942
00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:14,819
formed a support committee and so uh

943
00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:17,940
they're trying to not only use the

944
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:21,060
scientific and intellectual

945
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:24,300
um support for these people but also I'm

946
00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:27,240
trying to provide emotional and social

947
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:29,339
support for people who are willing to

948
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:31,740
talk about their experience right

949
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:35,280
um I think it's Ray Hernandez yeah yeah

950
00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:37,740
I I uh we missed each other we were in

951
00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:40,619
uh Phoenix I wanted to say hi to him and

952
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:43,380
and missed him out there and uh I

953
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:45,540
actually had Christina

954
00:44:49,609 --> 00:44:48,540
um on the show and yes and a few other

955
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:49,619
people

956
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:51,000
um talking about that it sounds like

957
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,319
they're they're trying to do a really

958
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:54,960
good job with this thing yes I think so

959
00:44:58,910 --> 00:44:56,760
yeah and the question I have about that

960
00:45:00,290 --> 00:44:58,920
I do have another message but I'll get

961
00:45:02,270 --> 00:45:00,300
to that later

962
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:02,280
um the the question I have about that is

963
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:06,000
how did these people handle this when

964
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:09,480
what were their lives like when they had

965
00:45:13,730 --> 00:45:12,480
nowhere to go no one to share the trauma

966
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,740
with

967
00:45:18,829 --> 00:45:16,319
it's very difficult for some people I've

968
00:45:23,210 --> 00:45:18,839
talked to people who've been hiding you

969
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,220
know for 13 years some people

970
00:45:27,470 --> 00:45:24,960
um have

971
00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:27,480
felt like they lived dual lives double

972
00:45:29,930 --> 00:45:28,980
lives

973
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:29,940
um

974
00:45:34,809 --> 00:45:32,940
but I think that that's also part of the

975
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,819
uh

976
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:37,680
initiation if you will I don't know if

977
00:45:40,670 --> 00:45:39,540
you heard the name David Campbell but

978
00:45:44,690 --> 00:45:40,680
he's a

979
00:45:49,849 --> 00:45:48,470
um experiences and he has a model from

980
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:49,859
the model

981
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:52,319
is called a Heroes Journey the hero is

982
00:45:58,609 --> 00:45:55,920
the man or woman who feels uh pulled out

983
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,619
of society and then pushed into

984
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,240
challenges

985
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:02,720
personal crises

986
00:46:07,609 --> 00:46:06,119
kind of tests or examinations to see how

987
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,619
they'll do and then they come back into

988
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:08,880
society

989
00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:11,280
with new knowledge and with new courage

990
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:14,940
the example that many people use is the

991
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:16,200
story

992
00:46:23,390 --> 00:46:20,640
of Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz and

993
00:46:25,809 --> 00:46:23,400
the story is that here's this woman who

994
00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:25,819
has her companions a tin man and the

995
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:31,020
straw man they're looking for a success

996
00:46:35,150 --> 00:46:32,700
or if they're looking for assistance

997
00:46:36,589 --> 00:46:35,160
they think that the Wizard of Oz is

998
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,599
going to help the mother find out the

999
00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:38,720
wizard of the laws just that

1000
00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:41,940
daughtering old guy and he just hands

1001
00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:43,800
out the certificates it's kind of like

1002
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,540
those of us who are professors the

1003
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:47,280
students the ones who go through the

1004
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,160
hard times and then the and then the

1005
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,760
president or the dean or whoever hands

1006
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:55,200
out the uh

1007
00:46:59,089 --> 00:46:57,480
a certificate when the person has

1008
00:47:04,130 --> 00:46:59,099
completed the program

1009
00:47:07,450 --> 00:47:04,140
so if we look at it that way then I I

1010
00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:07,460
often encourage people to consider

1011
00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:10,680
shortening the process by saying I'm

1012
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:13,380
ready I'm ready next I'm like SpongeBob

1013
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:15,420
SquarePants I'm ready I'm ready I'm

1014
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:19,500
ready and say okay if I need to be

1015
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:21,960
tested some more well then test me then

1016
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,180
some people will get more tests but

1017
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:26,640
other people it'll be a shift for

1018
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:28,440
example a woman told me

1019
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:31,200
years ago that she was remembering

1020
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,880
during her

1021
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:35,040
hypnosis session with me that she was on

1022
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:39,780
board a craft and the little gray ETS

1023
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:42,900
had examined her and it was painful and

1024
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:45,839
she was groaning and moaning and

1025
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:48,960
and at one point she said her memory was

1026
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:51,599
that she snapped looked at that little

1027
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:53,640
Grace's stop it

1028
00:47:59,809 --> 00:47:57,119
I don't like this is it take me to your

1029
00:48:02,690 --> 00:47:59,819
leader or you know take me to your

1030
00:48:05,809 --> 00:48:02,700
supervisor and the little gray looks

1031
00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:05,819
startled and according to her memory

1032
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,380
walked out of the room and then came

1033
00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:09,359
back with a tall gray

1034
00:48:15,550 --> 00:48:12,660
who was feminine and much more

1035
00:48:19,970 --> 00:48:15,560
compassionate so it was like

1036
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:19,980
the the idea is that as soon as we wake

1037
00:48:23,809 --> 00:48:21,180
up

1038
00:48:24,770 --> 00:48:23,819
and enhance our Consciousness saying

1039
00:48:27,410 --> 00:48:24,780
okay

1040
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:27,420
you know we're earthlings but we're also

1041
00:48:32,030 --> 00:48:29,579
et's we've been ETS now we're going to

1042
00:48:35,630 --> 00:48:32,040
go back and be extraterrestrial again in

1043
00:48:38,349 --> 00:48:35,640
our travels when we are ready for the

1044
00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:38,359
journey then then

1045
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,339
the Consciousness shifts

1046
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:43,760
and we become

1047
00:48:48,349 --> 00:48:46,740
more able not only to tolerate the

1048
00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:48,359
challenges but we know that we have

1049
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:51,000
handled them and we are initiated it's

1050
00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:53,880
like a sorority or a fraternity member

1051
00:48:59,569 --> 00:48:57,240
or you know in the Army we went through

1052
00:49:03,050 --> 00:48:59,579
basic training I remember when I was in

1053
00:49:05,290 --> 00:49:03,060
the Army uh one guy looked at me and he

1054
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:05,300
saw I was handling the

1055
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:08,700
stress pretty will need a Sprinkle

1056
00:49:13,609 --> 00:49:11,760
he said you like the Army I said no not

1057
00:49:15,050 --> 00:49:13,619
enough food not enough sleep he said

1058
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,060
well you don't seem to be bothered by it

1059
00:49:19,210 --> 00:49:17,520
I said this is the easiest time in my

1060
00:49:21,970 --> 00:49:19,220
life he said easy

1061
00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:21,980
he was pissed at me

1062
00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:25,619
well I grew up in a farm family and you

1063
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:27,240
had chores you get up early you do your

1064
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:28,380
chores and then you go to school and

1065
00:49:30,550 --> 00:49:29,520
then you come back and you do your

1066
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:30,560
chores

1067
00:49:35,809 --> 00:49:33,839
I was lucky I was in athletics and so my

1068
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:35,819
older brother got to do the chores in

1069
00:49:41,690 --> 00:49:38,400
the afternoon while I was in football or

1070
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:41,700
basketball or track so

1071
00:49:48,349 --> 00:49:46,319
the task seems to be to grow up and

1072
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:48,359
different people have different meanings

1073
00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:49,440
by that

1074
00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:53,339
but from my standpoint is not only to

1075
00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:56,940
accept our reincarnation past lives it's

1076
00:50:01,069 --> 00:49:58,680
also to get ready

1077
00:50:03,530 --> 00:50:01,079
for being

1078
00:50:05,470 --> 00:50:03,540
a cosmic citizen in fact one of the

1079
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:05,480
papers I think I sent a copy to you know

1080
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:09,900
ret experiences planetary persons or are

1081
00:50:13,730 --> 00:50:12,180
they becoming Cosmic citizens and so

1082
00:50:17,210 --> 00:50:13,740
when we're ready

1083
00:50:20,290 --> 00:50:17,220
I think the uh the announcement

1084
00:50:25,849 --> 00:50:20,300
of the

1085
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:25,859
presence will occur and also I think the

1086
00:50:29,390 --> 00:50:27,240
announcement about the Energy

1087
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,400
Technologies will occur

1088
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,440
yeah I want to talk to you

1089
00:50:35,210 --> 00:50:32,880
um more about that but I also wanted to

1090
00:50:39,010 --> 00:50:35,220
tell you that I am truly impressed that

1091
00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:39,020
you know about SpongeBob oh

1092
00:50:48,730 --> 00:50:43,380
well my wife and I have three sons and a

1093
00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:48,740
daughter and uh and we have seven

1094
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:53,160
grandchildren and so we uh we get to

1095
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,570
introduced to several cartoon characters

1096
00:51:00,530 --> 00:50:57,839
[Laughter]

1097
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,540
now um now we're going I want to talk

1098
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,640
more about the you know the

1099
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:05,040
possibilities of free energy because I

1100
00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:07,500
you know this is going off the UFO topic

1101
00:51:11,210 --> 00:51:09,180
and you know forgive me for the Die Hard

1102
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,220
UFO people but you know this is

1103
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:13,680
fascinating to me you know first of all

1104
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,660
we can talk about

1105
00:51:19,609 --> 00:51:18,000
um Tesla and how

1106
00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:19,619
um you know some people said he was

1107
00:51:22,970 --> 00:51:20,940
crazy

1108
00:51:26,809 --> 00:51:22,980
um some people said

1109
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:26,819
um you know he had the death ray

1110
00:51:32,030 --> 00:51:29,160
um and you know they stole his papers

1111
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:32,040
the government is pretty well known the

1112
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:34,680
government took us all his papers

1113
00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:35,839
um

1114
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:38,700
there's a book that gives a good account

1115
00:51:45,770 --> 00:51:43,440
of his uh history call man out of time

1116
00:51:47,569 --> 00:51:45,780
um a female writer I'm having trouble

1117
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:47,579
remembering her name right now but uh

1118
00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:51,119
it's a it's an excellent description

1119
00:51:55,970 --> 00:51:53,940
however what Tesla went through right

1120
00:51:58,609 --> 00:51:55,980
and you know everything we look around

1121
00:52:00,170 --> 00:51:58,619
us today and you know sure eventually

1122
00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:00,180
things may have been invented but

1123
00:52:05,150 --> 00:52:02,460
everything we see around us the the

1124
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,160
light switch the alternating current you

1125
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,440
know that was his uh he was I believe

1126
00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:09,359
he's like walking along and all of a

1127
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:10,920
sudden had like an epiphany and

1128
00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:14,400
scratched out on um the idea out on a

1129
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:16,980
sand with a stick or something

1130
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:20,400
um you know this is um you know all this

1131
00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:24,000
you know he and Edison were kind of uh

1132
00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:25,500
struggling over you know where they're

1133
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,540
all directors or direct current is

1134
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:29,040
better and of course alternating current

1135
00:52:34,370 --> 00:52:31,980
had more advantages oh yeah and uh you

1136
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,380
know there was a terrible uh rivalry

1137
00:52:38,690 --> 00:52:36,720
between them but you you think of this

1138
00:52:40,430 --> 00:52:38,700
and the the poor man

1139
00:52:42,829 --> 00:52:40,440
um could have had all this money from

1140
00:52:44,210 --> 00:52:42,839
Westinghouse he let this thing go about

1141
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:44,220
the horsepower I remember something

1142
00:52:47,329 --> 00:52:45,839
about that but

1143
00:52:49,309 --> 00:52:47,339
um he could have been a millionaire

1144
00:52:51,950 --> 00:52:49,319
Westinghouse was hurting at the time and

1145
00:52:54,109 --> 00:52:51,960
and let the whole contract go all I'm

1146
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,119
getting at is This brilliant brilliant

1147
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,880
brilliant man was hardly recognized in

1148
00:53:01,069 --> 00:52:59,040
his lifetime and died mostly penniless

1149
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:01,079
which is such a shame

1150
00:53:07,490 --> 00:53:04,319
uh the same way with the Royal Rife he

1151
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:07,500
developed the cancer cure technology and

1152
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:11,599
uh several Physicians the MDS were

1153
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:15,420
helpful doing but then later on

1154
00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:18,480
According to some people the

1155
00:53:22,970 --> 00:53:21,300
the powers that be took over that

1156
00:53:25,849 --> 00:53:22,980
information and now

1157
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:25,859
uh Royal Rife technology is not

1158
00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:28,319
available medically

1159
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:32,040
I I sent some you know along with that

1160
00:53:38,770 --> 00:53:34,740
material I sent to you I've sent that

1161
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:38,780
out to a dozen various editors

1162
00:53:46,609 --> 00:53:42,800
in very you know newspapers journals

1163
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:46,619
magazines societies and it's fascinating

1164
00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:47,640
to me

1165
00:53:53,290 --> 00:53:50,760
and no one has acknowledged receiving

1166
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:53,300
the materials and uh

1167
00:54:01,010 --> 00:53:57,000
I that's okay if but I hope that

1168
00:54:03,130 --> 00:54:01,020
somebody will inform the powers that be

1169
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:03,140
that more and more people

1170
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:06,240
recognize there is free energy there are

1171
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:08,220
more and more people around the planet

1172
00:54:14,089 --> 00:54:11,400
who know about this whereas here in the

1173
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:14,099
US we we seem to

1174
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:17,520
feel numbed by what we are told about

1175
00:54:21,130 --> 00:54:20,280
free energy yeah

1176
00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:21,140
um

1177
00:54:25,069 --> 00:54:23,460
there's someone that wanted that wanted

1178
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,079
to know will you have you ever been

1179
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:27,119
threatened by any of your research into

1180
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:28,200
this

1181
00:54:33,890 --> 00:54:31,020
no uh

1182
00:54:36,589 --> 00:54:33,900
probably no need to threaten me I'm not

1183
00:54:43,069 --> 00:54:41,450
but the professors uh kind of muzzled

1184
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:43,079
their own you know look professors

1185
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:45,180
aren't supposed to be outspoken who are

1186
00:54:50,930 --> 00:54:46,640
supposed to be quiet

1187
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:50,940
and uh gentle and so and so I'm assuming

1188
00:54:55,450 --> 00:54:54,480
that anybody who uh is in a position to

1189
00:55:00,170 --> 00:54:55,460
know

1190
00:55:01,430 --> 00:55:00,180
recognizes that I don't have much

1191
00:55:03,230 --> 00:55:01,440
influence

1192
00:55:05,930 --> 00:55:03,240
yeah well

1193
00:55:08,030 --> 00:55:05,940
um I'm going to tell a story that I

1194
00:55:10,430 --> 00:55:08,040
believe I have never told on this but

1195
00:55:11,630 --> 00:55:10,440
it's it's an interesting one now my

1196
00:55:14,750 --> 00:55:11,640
father was

1197
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,760
um never known to FIB

1198
00:55:18,589 --> 00:55:16,559
um he had a sense of humor but you know

1199
00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:18,599
he was serious about this

1200
00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:22,260
um back in like 1974 you know right

1201
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:25,740
after the uh quote-unquote gas shortage

1202
00:55:31,490 --> 00:55:28,319
uh crisis and all that

1203
00:55:33,650 --> 00:55:31,500
um he had a friend that bought a brand

1204
00:55:36,410 --> 00:55:33,660
new Buick and

1205
00:55:38,329 --> 00:55:36,420
um it was a you know V8 and all that and

1206
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:38,339
he drove it for a couple hundred miles

1207
00:55:43,329 --> 00:55:41,460
and noticed the gas uh the gas gauge was

1208
00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:43,339
broken so he pulled into a gas station

1209
00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:46,859
and it took just about two gallons so

1210
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:49,740
he's thinking what's going on here

1211
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,160
he lifted the hood and he saw it there

1212
00:55:57,970 --> 00:55:55,920
was uh this bright orange thing test

1213
00:56:02,109 --> 00:55:57,980
equipment so

1214
00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:02,119
he he drove it back to the dealership

1215
00:56:08,690 --> 00:56:05,880
and they wouldn't let him take the car

1216
00:56:11,450 --> 00:56:08,700
off the lot and he finally settled for

1217
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:11,460
two free Vehicles one for himself and

1218
00:56:17,210 --> 00:56:13,619
one for his wife and he actually settled

1219
00:56:18,349 --> 00:56:17,220
for them you know this is uh oh now I

1220
00:56:21,230 --> 00:56:18,359
can tell you one thing my father

1221
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:21,240
believed that that story and believed to

1222
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:24,480
his friend and um I I don't know I can't

1223
00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:26,460
verify anything I don't even remember

1224
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:29,640
who it is because it was so long ago but

1225
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:33,359
the story always stuck with me because

1226
00:56:38,809 --> 00:56:36,720
um it has always baffled me and still

1227
00:56:40,609 --> 00:56:38,819
baffles me to this day where the best

1228
00:56:44,030 --> 00:56:40,619
you can get as a Prius that gets 50

1229
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:44,040
miles to the gallon and I just don't

1230
00:56:49,970 --> 00:56:47,220
believe it with all the technology that

1231
00:56:52,930 --> 00:56:49,980
we have that we can't do better than

1232
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:52,940
that some people say that the

1233
00:57:00,829 --> 00:56:56,940
automakers have a lot of generators

1234
00:57:03,710 --> 00:57:00,839
and gradually are releasing

1235
00:57:05,650 --> 00:57:03,720
you know bit by bit so that as a

1236
00:57:08,569 --> 00:57:05,660
gasoline

1237
00:57:11,930 --> 00:57:08,579
supplies go down within the

1238
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:11,940
the number of miles goes up but sooner

1239
00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:14,220
or later we'll get to the pre-energy

1240
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:15,780
that Tesla and then we can have electric

1241
00:57:21,950 --> 00:57:20,040
cars without burning uh fossil fuels to

1242
00:57:23,569 --> 00:57:21,960
create the electricity

1243
00:57:26,210 --> 00:57:23,579
if you

1244
00:57:27,410 --> 00:57:26,220
um there's a couple of theories um out

1245
00:57:29,329 --> 00:57:27,420
there

1246
00:57:31,849 --> 00:57:29,339
kicking around and one of them is that

1247
00:57:35,690 --> 00:57:31,859
if all of a sudden free energy was

1248
00:57:37,730 --> 00:57:35,700
discovered and implemented that the

1249
00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:37,740
world of common economy would would

1250
00:57:42,109 --> 00:57:40,980
crush and fall and and what do you what

1251
00:57:44,030 --> 00:57:42,119
are your thoughts on that and then and

1252
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,040
then of course there's the one where the

1253
00:57:49,490 --> 00:57:46,559
you know the the energy companies would

1254
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:49,500
do uh would you know wage war against

1255
00:57:53,809 --> 00:57:52,260
anyone that would get close to something

1256
00:57:56,450 --> 00:57:53,819
like that

1257
00:58:00,049 --> 00:57:56,460
you know I I'm not trained as an

1258
00:58:00,950 --> 00:58:00,059
economist and I don't know what uh would

1259
00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:00,960
happen

1260
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:05,220
in the short run it might be disastrous

1261
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:10,160
but uh I I grew up in a world of

1262
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:13,920
economic depression and World War II

1263
00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:16,079
comes along my older brother who's been

1264
00:58:22,490 --> 00:58:18,900
in the Air Force I went in uh during the

1265
00:58:25,609 --> 00:58:22,500
Korean time a lot of changes happened in

1266
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:25,619
our lives and we adapted to them my

1267
00:58:31,250 --> 00:58:28,559
feeling about humanity is that if free

1268
00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:31,260
energy were introduced it'd take a while

1269
00:58:39,130 --> 00:58:34,980
to take a few years for us to convert

1270
00:58:43,010 --> 00:58:39,140
from coal and oil and gasoline to

1271
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:43,020
these devices just like it takes a while

1272
00:58:50,270 --> 00:58:47,599
for a city to create a new power station

1273
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:50,280
and a new power grid

1274
00:58:56,569 --> 00:58:54,960
and so my uneducated economic philosophy

1275
00:58:58,569 --> 00:58:56,579
is that

1276
00:59:02,809 --> 00:58:58,579
the economics

1277
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:02,819
is not as difficult as the emotional

1278
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:05,359
reaction of those who are going down

1279
00:59:10,490 --> 00:59:08,880
uh and my general belief and I feel

1280
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,500
quite strong about this

1281
00:59:14,569 --> 00:59:12,480
is that all over the planet the

1282
00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:14,579
patriarchy is coming down

1283
00:59:19,490 --> 00:59:17,400
uh I mentioned one I'll mention one book

1284
00:59:21,770 --> 00:59:19,500
that helps people if they want to read

1285
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:21,780
it it's called The End Of Man and the

1286
00:59:26,990 --> 00:59:25,680
rise of women by Hannah Rosen or rosin

1287
00:59:30,589 --> 00:59:27,000
rosin

1288
00:59:32,329 --> 00:59:30,599
chapter after chapter she shows that

1289
00:59:37,849 --> 00:59:32,339
there are more

1290
00:59:38,809 --> 00:59:37,859
women leaders in military law academic

1291
00:59:41,329 --> 00:59:38,819
world

1292
00:59:42,130 --> 00:59:41,339
the business World

1293
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:42,140
um

1294
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:44,700
these and these women

1295
00:59:50,109 --> 00:59:48,480
are just as competent as men but they

1296
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:50,119
are more

1297
01:00:02,030 --> 00:59:54,000
to

1298
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,040
competitive and

1299
01:00:07,069 --> 01:00:04,319
uh these women leaders are more

1300
01:00:09,710 --> 01:00:07,079
Cooperative now they she says that the

1301
01:00:13,970 --> 01:00:09,720
one the two areas is not yet true that

1302
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:13,980
women are the primary leaders in the U.S

1303
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,319
one example is the Congress they're more

1304
01:00:20,210 --> 01:00:18,480
males than females in the Congress and

1305
01:00:23,329 --> 01:00:20,220
they're more males

1306
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:23,339
and females in mega corporations because

1307
01:00:30,829 --> 01:00:25,140
some people argue that we don't have a

1308
01:00:35,809 --> 01:00:34,490
system built on the corporation we have

1309
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:35,819
a corporate seat

1310
01:00:42,170 --> 01:00:39,839
uh that's the and that really determines

1311
01:00:44,770 --> 01:00:42,180
whether we are good battery and

1312
01:00:49,210 --> 01:00:44,780
different for example there's recent uh

1313
01:00:52,490 --> 01:00:49,220
uh dust up about religious freedom

1314
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:52,500
religious liberty in Indiana and it was

1315
01:00:57,470 --> 01:00:55,680
so intriguing to me to see that Walmart

1316
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:57,480
and some of the other corporations came

1317
01:01:00,770 --> 01:00:58,799
in and said hey

1318
01:01:03,710 --> 01:01:00,780
uh we don't want to have people

1319
01:01:07,250 --> 01:01:03,720
discriminating against gays we've got

1320
01:01:10,250 --> 01:01:07,260
this kind of a business operation going

1321
01:01:13,130 --> 01:01:10,260
and some people said that the Indiana

1322
01:01:16,910 --> 01:01:13,140
lawmakers are listening as much to the

1323
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:16,920
corporations as they are to the people

1324
01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:20,720
so so it's an interesting question as uh

1325
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:26,040
uh are the corporations uh pro-democracy

1326
01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:28,079
or are they pro-business are they Pro

1327
01:01:31,010 --> 01:01:28,920
well

1328
01:01:33,950 --> 01:01:31,020
it's interesting because more and more

1329
01:01:36,770 --> 01:01:33,960
people no matter whether we are U.S

1330
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:36,780
citizens or whether we are from Nairobi

1331
01:01:42,530 --> 01:01:40,799
or Australia more and more people

1332
01:01:45,530 --> 01:01:42,540
sorry

1333
01:01:47,450 --> 01:01:45,540
our our lesson less violent even though

1334
01:01:51,049 --> 01:01:47,460
there are Wars going on and people are

1335
01:01:54,410 --> 01:01:51,059
losing their lives being shot and bombed

1336
01:01:56,809 --> 01:01:54,420
in general uh the level of violence is

1337
01:01:58,670 --> 01:01:56,819
coming down and in general

1338
01:02:02,510 --> 01:01:58,680
there are more and more people who are

1339
01:02:04,490 --> 01:02:02,520
gathering in groups in a peaceful way to

1340
01:02:10,809 --> 01:02:04,500
demonstrate for their particular view

1341
01:02:15,309 --> 01:02:10,819
whether it's anti-racial or anti uh

1342
01:02:18,410 --> 01:02:15,319
ageism or whatever it is that

1343
01:02:21,650 --> 01:02:18,420
and I find it exciting because we have

1344
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:21,660
been basing our philosophy on fight

1345
01:02:30,289 --> 01:02:27,119
fight cancer fight discrimination

1346
01:02:32,450 --> 01:02:30,299
War on Drugs yeah and whereas people who

1347
01:02:36,109 --> 01:02:32,460
are Christians say Jesus said love thy

1348
01:02:37,970 --> 01:02:36,119
neighbor as thyself which is fascinating

1349
01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:37,980
because that means we've got to love

1350
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:40,740
ourselves first than our neighbor and

1351
01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:43,920
then our God whereas the Patriarchs they

1352
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:46,260
turn it around they said no no you gotta

1353
01:02:52,130 --> 01:02:49,440
love it well you've got a fear not love

1354
01:02:55,730 --> 01:02:52,140
you gotta fear God and then fear your

1355
01:02:58,250 --> 01:02:55,740
neighbor and inferior yourself so the uh

1356
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,260
the patriarchical view that men not only

1357
01:03:03,710 --> 01:03:00,960
protect women and children but possess

1358
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:03,720
women and children and possess Mother

1359
01:03:09,230 --> 01:03:06,180
Earth and can rape her for oil and gas

1360
01:03:12,589 --> 01:03:09,240
and so that that philosophy is shifting

1361
01:03:16,010 --> 01:03:12,599
and it would suggest to me that not only

1362
01:03:17,390 --> 01:03:16,020
are we going to have more female leaders

1363
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:17,400
but we're also going to have a more

1364
01:03:23,329 --> 01:03:20,880
peaceful world on Wow getting back

1365
01:03:27,710 --> 01:03:23,339
um to you know stepping back to the

1366
01:03:29,329 --> 01:03:27,720
energy situation you know I I really

1367
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:29,339
really hope that

1368
01:03:34,670 --> 01:03:31,920
I mean that would be the answer to so

1369
01:03:37,309 --> 01:03:34,680
many things but also just the fact that

1370
01:03:40,190 --> 01:03:37,319
we are actually heading toward Doom the

1371
01:03:43,970 --> 01:03:40,200
way you know for instance every single

1372
01:03:47,450 --> 01:03:43,980
week every single week China is opening

1373
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:47,460
a new coal plant power plant and you

1374
01:03:52,190 --> 01:03:49,680
know the coal burning we're doing is is

1375
01:03:54,049 --> 01:03:52,200
out of control and there's you know

1376
01:03:56,990 --> 01:03:54,059
there's mercury in the water because of

1377
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:57,000
it there's um there's going to be a uh

1378
01:04:01,490 --> 01:03:59,280
you know in I I have a a person that's

1379
01:04:05,150 --> 01:04:01,500
been on the show he's a friend

1380
01:04:07,370 --> 01:04:05,160
um he's in Beijing and he can't go out

1381
01:04:11,030 --> 01:04:07,380
of the house without wearing a mask

1382
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:11,040
that's how you know that's how they live

1383
01:04:18,109 --> 01:04:13,920
um it's it's getting nasty and then um

1384
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:18,119
the air currents will bring the acid

1385
01:04:23,089 --> 01:04:20,160
rain and coal Fallout over to the United

1386
01:04:24,349 --> 01:04:23,099
States and the East Coast mostly so you

1387
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:24,359
know I mean there's there's something

1388
01:04:28,910 --> 01:04:26,400
that has to be addressed with this yeah

1389
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:28,920
and then on the other side of it the

1390
01:04:35,630 --> 01:04:32,160
increase in nuclear weapons is also a

1391
01:04:38,990 --> 01:04:35,640
threat going to peace on the planet uh

1392
01:04:42,410 --> 01:04:39,000
there are efforts both to uh

1393
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:42,420
decrease the number of bombs and to

1394
01:04:50,930 --> 01:04:46,799
negotiate Arms Treaty versus the other

1395
01:04:52,490 --> 01:04:50,940
side of where people want to destroy the

1396
01:04:54,190 --> 01:04:52,500
neighbor you know whether Iran and

1397
01:04:57,289 --> 01:04:54,200
Israel can

1398
01:05:00,289 --> 01:04:57,299
actually learn to cooperate even though

1399
01:05:04,569 --> 01:05:00,299
they have quote different gods unquote

1400
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:04,579
different et's and their backgrounds so

1401
01:05:11,270 --> 01:05:07,440
it seems to me that one can either take

1402
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:11,280
the negative point of view that says we

1403
01:05:15,230 --> 01:05:13,200
are killing ourselves we are destroying

1404
01:05:19,150 --> 01:05:15,240
the planet which is true

1405
01:05:23,210 --> 01:05:19,160
or take the point of view if we

1406
01:05:25,010 --> 01:05:23,220
want to stop that then we have to

1407
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:25,020
embrace

1408
01:05:30,530 --> 01:05:27,839
you know I don't know if you ever see

1409
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:30,540
this cartoon called

1410
01:05:36,589 --> 01:05:33,359
um what is it called

1411
01:05:39,410 --> 01:05:36,599
um anyway it says the character of swine

1412
01:05:41,930 --> 01:05:39,420
who's kind of a naive and a rat that's

1413
01:05:44,569 --> 01:05:41,940
kind of a Sly and Shifty

1414
01:05:48,349 --> 01:05:44,579
and other other animal characters and

1415
01:05:50,569 --> 01:05:48,359
the piglet is trying to be nice and he

1416
01:05:53,890 --> 01:05:50,579
says love thy neighbor and the rat look

1417
01:05:57,890 --> 01:05:53,900
then said have you seen my neighbor

1418
01:05:58,970 --> 01:05:57,900
same way with Israelis and the Iranians

1419
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:58,980
they're going to have to learn to live

1420
01:06:04,190 --> 01:06:01,200
together on this planet otherwise the

1421
01:06:06,589 --> 01:06:04,200
nuclear war and we destroy

1422
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:06,599
the entire planet or at least partial

1423
01:06:13,010 --> 01:06:10,319
and make it rough so to me I take the

1424
01:06:15,770 --> 01:06:13,020
point of view that it's a initiation

1425
01:06:18,530 --> 01:06:15,780
it's a crisis and I'm hoping that we

1426
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:18,540
pass it successfully although one of my

1427
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:20,880
friends who is kind of a skeptic he said

1428
01:06:24,650 --> 01:06:22,559
hey Leo you're always talking about

1429
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:24,660
peace and non-violence and so he said

1430
01:06:29,930 --> 01:06:27,599
what if what if we blow ourselves up

1431
01:06:31,609 --> 01:06:29,940
and I said well we'll pick up our souls

1432
01:06:36,130 --> 01:06:31,619
and we'll go to another planet start all

1433
01:06:38,690 --> 01:06:36,140
over oh he looked at me he said oh

1434
01:06:41,930 --> 01:06:38,700
he couldn't couldn't handle the idea

1435
01:06:43,609 --> 01:06:41,940
that we could start all over again

1436
01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:43,619
well well

1437
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:45,240
um so

1438
01:06:50,569 --> 01:06:49,200
uh getting back um well no I actually

1439
01:06:53,630 --> 01:06:50,579
want to talk a little more about this

1440
01:06:55,789 --> 01:06:53,640
because you've been around this for for

1441
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:55,799
such a long time and what do you think

1442
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:57,359
about

1443
01:07:02,690 --> 01:06:59,760
um the work that like Robert Hastings

1444
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:02,700
has done on you know nuclear warheads

1445
01:07:07,370 --> 01:07:06,000
when it comes to the UFO yeah

1446
01:07:09,049 --> 01:07:07,380
um interruptions and things like that

1447
01:07:11,890 --> 01:07:09,059
have you ever looked into that topic at

1448
01:07:16,970 --> 01:07:11,900
all yeah he wrote a book

1449
01:07:19,970 --> 01:07:16,980
about nukes and UFOs right talking to uh

1450
01:07:23,329 --> 01:07:19,980
military ex-military people not people

1451
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:23,339
who are active about their encounters

1452
01:07:28,250 --> 01:07:26,400
and what's intriguing to me is that

1453
01:07:31,010 --> 01:07:28,260
over and over there have been bases

1454
01:07:33,890 --> 01:07:31,020
where the power has turned off and the

1455
01:07:35,450 --> 01:07:33,900
nuclear warheads sit in the Silo and

1456
01:07:40,970 --> 01:07:35,460
they aren't uh

1457
01:07:43,329 --> 01:07:40,980
on a senate so it would suggest to me as

1458
01:07:46,370 --> 01:07:43,339
a reader and I'm not familiar with

1459
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:46,380
nuclear warheads or with uh

1460
01:07:51,710 --> 01:07:48,480
you know what it takes to run a military

1461
01:07:54,589 --> 01:07:51,720
base um I I do know over in Cheyenne

1462
01:07:55,370 --> 01:07:54,599
there are silos and missiles at the

1463
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,380
ready

1464
01:08:00,109 --> 01:07:57,599
but it would suggest to me that the ETS

1465
01:08:02,510 --> 01:08:00,119
know how to turn it off and so they are

1466
01:08:05,390 --> 01:08:02,520
demonstrating it and they're saying you

1467
01:08:07,390 --> 01:08:05,400
guys got to learn some other way

1468
01:08:10,430 --> 01:08:07,400
to deal with one another

1469
01:08:13,789 --> 01:08:10,440
and then learn to deal with us and we'll

1470
01:08:16,370 --> 01:08:13,799
come and help you when you're ready so

1471
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:16,380
that's my philosophy and that's what I

1472
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:18,799
hope to instill

1473
01:08:24,769 --> 01:08:22,080
in the hearts and minds and Souls of

1474
01:08:26,150 --> 01:08:24,779
those around me wow

1475
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:26,160
um

1476
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:28,319
yeah but you know that whole that whole

1477
01:08:33,709 --> 01:08:29,759
thing I've had you know I've had Robert

1478
01:08:37,550 --> 01:08:33,719
on I've had Bob Salas and and you know

1479
01:08:39,709 --> 01:08:37,560
when they some of that has a first hand

1480
01:08:41,870 --> 01:08:39,719
um experiences just you just can't

1481
01:08:45,410 --> 01:08:41,880
explain that stuff away

1482
01:08:47,630 --> 01:08:45,420
this just just too it's too baffling it

1483
01:08:50,349 --> 01:08:47,640
doesn't you know a skeptic can't can't

1484
01:08:53,450 --> 01:08:50,359
really deal with that

1485
01:08:56,769 --> 01:08:53,460
yeah you know the best thing for a

1486
01:09:01,130 --> 01:08:56,779
skeptic is to have the experience yeah

1487
01:09:03,470 --> 01:09:01,140
no longer skeptical exactly and um you

1488
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:03,480
know that that does that does happen I

1489
01:09:09,729 --> 01:09:06,239
mean you know I've heard for instance um

1490
01:09:12,829 --> 01:09:09,739
an astronomer talk about that I was on

1491
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:12,839
Bill and Nancy Burns show the other

1492
01:09:19,130 --> 01:09:16,319
night and Bill mentioned that um

1493
01:09:21,769 --> 01:09:19,140
um some astronomers that were doing

1494
01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:21,779
detail work I forget exactly what he

1495
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:24,060
said but they see UFOs and they get mad

1496
01:09:27,050 --> 01:09:24,960
because

1497
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:27,060
um they're taking a picture and it gets

1498
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:28,799
in the picture and it frustrates them

1499
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:30,480
they have to take it over again for like

1500
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:33,120
a constellation or something

1501
01:09:36,890 --> 01:09:34,920
I don't know how uh

1502
01:09:40,249 --> 01:09:36,900
I don't know how how accurate that is

1503
01:09:42,769 --> 01:09:40,259
but it it's sure it sure sounds great

1504
01:09:44,209 --> 01:09:42,779
um when you have gone through all this

1505
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:44,219
time

1506
01:09:48,829 --> 01:09:46,980
um have your interests changed in

1507
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:48,839
different directions or you're pretty

1508
01:09:55,550 --> 01:09:52,319
much open to the the whole topic

1509
01:09:58,250 --> 01:09:55,560
I've been open to the whole topic

1510
01:10:01,310 --> 01:09:58,260
although my training

1511
01:10:04,189 --> 01:10:01,320
is not Technical and so

1512
01:10:07,330 --> 01:10:04,199
for example many of my friends move on

1513
01:10:12,130 --> 01:10:07,340
Mutual UFO Network

1514
01:10:15,890 --> 01:10:12,140
and I get a copy of the journal

1515
01:10:18,650 --> 01:10:15,900
but I found myself of the years becoming

1516
01:10:20,990 --> 01:10:18,660
less and less interested in a detailed

1517
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:21,000
report of the sighting which began at 6

1518
01:10:27,970 --> 01:10:24,960
43 and ended at 10 52 and

1519
01:10:30,649 --> 01:10:27,980
and this light and that light

1520
01:10:31,550 --> 01:10:30,659
I find myself much more interested in

1521
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:31,560
the people

1522
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:34,560
for example with Betty and Barney Hill

1523
01:10:38,270 --> 01:10:35,360
um

1524
01:10:42,590 --> 01:10:38,280
it was such a relief to talk with them

1525
01:10:44,689 --> 01:10:42,600
compared to the other 1966 TV program

1526
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:44,699
who we were talking about flying sauces

1527
01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:46,800
is it true or is it false

1528
01:10:52,750 --> 01:10:49,560
and it seems to me that a lot of time

1529
01:10:55,729 --> 01:10:52,760
was used to

1530
01:10:59,050 --> 01:10:55,739
debate something that should be a

1531
01:11:01,490 --> 01:10:59,060
non-issue so to me

1532
01:11:03,610 --> 01:11:01,500
the secret keepers

1533
01:11:08,090 --> 01:11:03,620
have

1534
01:11:10,430 --> 01:11:08,100
kept up not only with lies but they're

1535
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:10,440
much more skilled than just telling lies

1536
01:11:13,010 --> 01:11:12,239
like say no you're a stupid you

1537
01:11:16,250 --> 01:11:13,020
don't know what you're talking about

1538
01:11:18,669 --> 01:11:16,260
they say oh are you do you know about

1539
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:18,679
clouds do you know about cumulus versus

1540
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:22,400
this kind of cloud I'm going so this

1541
01:11:27,610 --> 01:11:26,100
question question question and doubt

1542
01:11:31,310 --> 01:11:27,620
doubt doubt

1543
01:11:32,510 --> 01:11:31,320
allows one of the secret Keepers to keep

1544
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:32,520
the secret

1545
01:11:37,970 --> 01:11:35,760
while the rest of us should go about

1546
01:11:39,470 --> 01:11:37,980
well I don't know everything and so

1547
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:39,480
maybe they know what they're talking

1548
01:11:44,209 --> 01:11:42,239
about and maybe I didn't really see a

1549
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,219
flying saucer maybe I didn't really talk

1550
01:11:51,410 --> 01:11:46,640
to an ET no

1551
01:11:56,510 --> 01:11:51,420
that's part of the master plan is to

1552
01:11:59,630 --> 01:11:56,520
cloud or disguise or to disrupt

1553
01:12:03,709 --> 01:11:59,640
on public awareness that the ETS are

1554
01:12:06,169 --> 01:12:03,719
here the ETS have Energy Technologies as

1555
01:12:08,570 --> 01:12:06,179
soon as we grow up and play nice you

1556
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:08,580
know we can use the interviews to

1557
01:12:12,290 --> 01:12:10,860
develop a better planet and a better

1558
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:12,300
Humanity

1559
01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:16,320
when you when you look into the topic of

1560
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:21,000
the UFO technology what are what are

1561
01:12:25,370 --> 01:12:22,800
your ideas or what have you heard over

1562
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:25,380
the years that makes more sense to you

1563
01:12:30,169 --> 01:12:27,600
like the anti-gravity or whatever it is

1564
01:12:32,510 --> 01:12:30,179
how they can do the 90 degree turn and

1565
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,520
all that I've read different things I

1566
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:34,320
don't have enough technical knowledge to

1567
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:36,719
be able to evaluate it but I know that

1568
01:12:40,689 --> 01:12:38,159
some

1569
01:12:43,729 --> 01:12:40,699
uh Engineers have

1570
01:12:45,470 --> 01:12:43,739
been a guy named Rich for example was

1571
01:12:47,689 --> 01:12:45,480
quoted in one of the camera with his

1572
01:12:51,530 --> 01:12:47,699
Robert Hastings book or another

1573
01:12:54,110 --> 01:12:51,540
of the UFOs and nukes recorded in one of

1574
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:54,120
the books is saying uh when asked about

1575
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:57,840
uh energy technology he said

1576
01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:01,520
uh he said that uh

1577
01:13:08,030 --> 01:13:04,440
it's not like a chemical propulsion you

1578
01:13:10,490 --> 01:13:08,040
know we use chemical Rockets to move to

1579
01:13:12,530 --> 01:13:10,500
the moon or whatever it's more like the

1580
01:13:14,649 --> 01:13:12,540
speed of thought

1581
01:13:18,770 --> 01:13:14,659
and I don't know how the electrical

1582
01:13:21,530 --> 01:13:18,780
propulsion systems uh what's involved

1583
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:21,540
from a physical standpoint but I know

1584
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:24,300
that physicists now talk differently

1585
01:13:30,590 --> 01:13:26,880
than they did 20 or 30 years ago

1586
01:13:32,450 --> 01:13:30,600
the physicists in the old age are the

1587
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:32,460
old science

1588
01:13:41,149 --> 01:13:36,000
the scientist was objective and he he he

1589
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:41,159
he was The Observer now the quantum

1590
01:13:47,570 --> 01:13:43,199
physicists talk about

1591
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:47,580
everything is connected ions atoms

1592
01:13:53,930 --> 01:13:50,400
molecules everything is connected

1593
01:13:56,030 --> 01:13:53,940
and the scientist is a participant much

1594
01:13:57,410 --> 01:13:56,040
different attitude about science and

1595
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:57,420
there's a much different attitude about

1596
01:14:03,110 --> 01:13:58,560
physics

1597
01:14:05,870 --> 01:14:03,120
So that obviously some extraterrestrials

1598
01:14:08,930 --> 01:14:05,880
have found energy sources that allow

1599
01:14:11,149 --> 01:14:08,940
them to move vehicles

1600
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:11,159
in different ways than through chemical

1601
01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:13,440
propulsion yeah

1602
01:14:19,550 --> 01:14:15,900
yeah it's the only thing that that makes

1603
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:19,560
any sense and and we have so much to

1604
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:22,400
explore and quantum mechanics quantum

1605
01:14:29,330 --> 01:14:25,199
physics and I don't know if you heard

1606
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:29,340
that CERN is actually they're they're

1607
01:14:32,530 --> 01:14:30,719
actually think they may have some type

1608
01:14:35,870 --> 01:14:32,540
of breakthrough into another dimension

1609
01:14:36,890 --> 01:14:35,880
that they may prove in short time I

1610
01:14:39,649 --> 01:14:36,900
don't know if you heard anything about

1611
01:14:42,649 --> 01:14:39,659
that but it's no I haven't I years ago I

1612
01:14:44,290 --> 01:14:42,659
talked briefly with Edgar Mitchell on Dr

1613
01:14:48,290 --> 01:14:44,300
Mitchell of course

1614
01:14:50,110 --> 01:14:48,300
uh has helped to The noetic Sciences and

1615
01:14:54,649 --> 01:14:50,120
done much to uh

1616
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:54,659
illuminate the connection between energy

1617
01:15:00,410 --> 01:14:58,080
sources and uh

1618
01:15:03,470 --> 01:15:00,420
ET observation so

1619
01:15:05,090 --> 01:15:03,480
right right yep um I was trying I've

1620
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:05,100
been trying to get Dr Mitchell on the

1621
01:15:10,610 --> 01:15:08,880
show he doesn't do a lot of interviews

1622
01:15:12,169 --> 01:15:10,620
but uh

1623
01:15:14,209 --> 01:15:12,179
um I would love to have him on he's

1624
01:15:18,290 --> 01:15:14,219
another person you might be interested

1625
01:15:22,250 --> 01:15:18,300
in is a Dr Jones and Dr C.B Scott Jones

1626
01:15:24,050 --> 01:15:22,260
he's a former Navy commander and he's

1627
01:15:27,490 --> 01:15:24,060
been on the inside

1628
01:15:32,649 --> 01:15:27,500
uh knowing something about the military

1629
01:15:36,410 --> 01:15:32,659
attitudes but also hoping to

1630
01:15:38,209 --> 01:15:36,420
move the public along to public disco

1631
01:15:40,189 --> 01:15:38,219
disclosure

1632
01:15:42,890 --> 01:15:40,199
yeah no I'm not I'm not actually

1633
01:15:44,030 --> 01:15:42,900
familiar with him I'll look into it

1634
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:44,040
though

1635
01:15:49,070 --> 01:15:44,880
um

1636
01:15:52,010 --> 01:15:49,080
let's see moving along back uh let's

1637
01:15:54,350 --> 01:15:52,020
talk a little bit more about

1638
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:54,360
um abductees

1639
01:16:00,649 --> 01:15:56,880
um have you actually done regression

1640
01:16:05,330 --> 01:16:00,659
with many of them hypnosis regression

1641
01:16:10,370 --> 01:16:05,340
yes I have yeah and have you seen a

1642
01:16:16,910 --> 01:16:12,830
in the sense of

1643
01:16:20,590 --> 01:16:16,920
the reports each person feels individual

1644
01:16:24,590 --> 01:16:20,600
you know my experience is my experience

1645
01:16:28,130 --> 01:16:24,600
but the pattern that I see

1646
01:16:33,010 --> 01:16:28,140
is that the people who are courageous

1647
01:16:35,930 --> 01:16:33,020
and who explore and try to understand

1648
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:35,940
they do better than the people who are

1649
01:16:42,050 --> 01:16:38,400
frightened and huddle over in the corner

1650
01:16:42,890 --> 01:16:42,060
so I encourage people uh when they're

1651
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:42,900
ready

1652
01:16:49,729 --> 01:16:46,560
not only to explore through hypnosis

1653
01:16:53,450 --> 01:16:49,739
their encounter but also to find out was

1654
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:53,460
it an abduction were they taken or were

1655
01:17:02,330 --> 01:16:57,360
they invited or did they invite the the

1656
01:17:05,209 --> 01:17:02,340
person uh the ETS to come just like

1657
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,219
is kind of a silly story but I now what

1658
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:07,679
if a high school student said I was

1659
01:17:13,209 --> 01:17:10,560
abducted these guys came and they took

1660
01:17:15,770 --> 01:17:13,219
me to college campus

1661
01:17:17,870 --> 01:17:15,780
and there are a whole bunch of students

1662
01:17:20,990 --> 01:17:17,880
and there are a whole bunch of teachers

1663
01:17:23,090 --> 01:17:21,000
and instructors and professors oh well

1664
01:17:26,169 --> 01:17:23,100
was that an abduction or was that

1665
01:17:28,910 --> 01:17:26,179
initiation hmm

1666
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:28,920
I encourage people to consider the

1667
01:17:33,709 --> 01:17:30,000
possibility

1668
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:33,719
that what they feel was being taken

1669
01:17:41,149 --> 01:17:37,920
away from the earth was actually being

1670
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:41,159
taken toward the Stars

1671
01:17:46,610 --> 01:17:44,640
yeah um we had a a message up on the

1672
01:17:48,169 --> 01:17:46,620
board here but I think you've more or

1673
01:17:51,530 --> 01:17:48,179
less addressed it

1674
01:17:55,490 --> 01:17:51,540
um wanting to know what you your opinion

1675
01:17:57,950 --> 01:17:55,500
is opinion is of the whole phenomena

1676
01:18:00,610 --> 01:17:57,960
um what what would ET or whatever it is

1677
01:18:03,169 --> 01:18:00,620
happening here be up to

1678
01:18:05,450 --> 01:18:03,179
yeah some people said that there's two

1679
01:18:09,229 --> 01:18:05,460
jobs

1680
01:18:11,930 --> 01:18:09,239
one is to educate

1681
01:18:12,590 --> 01:18:11,940
and the other is to monitor

1682
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:12,600
um

1683
01:18:18,410 --> 01:18:15,600
the monitoring is what most people think

1684
01:18:21,470 --> 01:18:18,420
about and I'll call it the moof on face

1685
01:18:24,050 --> 01:18:21,480
you know we are being monitored and here

1686
01:18:26,830 --> 01:18:24,060
was a craft that showed up or here was a

1687
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:26,840
object and so forth

1688
01:18:33,770 --> 01:18:29,840
and so if we think in terms of

1689
01:18:35,810 --> 01:18:33,780
the usual human response is that we are

1690
01:18:39,169 --> 01:18:35,820
being surveyed we are being surveilled

1691
01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:39,179
we are being checked on

1692
01:18:45,050 --> 01:18:42,960
and that of course uh frightens some

1693
01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:45,060
people just like uh some people are

1694
01:18:49,330 --> 01:18:47,400
frightened because of police are

1695
01:18:55,130 --> 01:18:49,340
checking on them

1696
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:55,140
uh

1697
01:19:00,530 --> 01:18:57,840
to harm them well in some cases some

1698
01:19:02,450 --> 01:19:00,540
racial minorities feel yes that's

1699
01:19:05,149 --> 01:19:02,460
happened uh

1700
01:19:08,750 --> 01:19:05,159
and so we have a

1701
01:19:11,330 --> 01:19:08,760
the feeling that if we're being surveyed

1702
01:19:13,010 --> 01:19:11,340
if we're being monitored that that's the

1703
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:13,020
negative thing but other people say hey

1704
01:19:16,189 --> 01:19:14,880
I'm glad that the police are checking on

1705
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:16,199
our neighborhood because we've got some

1706
01:19:19,850 --> 01:19:18,000
strains going on here

1707
01:19:25,970 --> 01:19:19,860
so

1708
01:19:30,649 --> 01:19:25,980
yeah I've been interested in the

1709
01:19:32,810 --> 01:19:30,659
monitoring and I I used to read all the

1710
01:19:34,250 --> 01:19:32,820
reports I could get but then I became

1711
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:34,260
more and more interested in the people

1712
01:19:40,729 --> 01:19:38,159
and less and less interested in what

1713
01:19:43,330 --> 01:19:40,739
they saw or what they experienced

1714
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:43,340
I wanted them to tell me what they

1715
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:46,320
learned from the experience it's like

1716
01:19:52,490 --> 01:19:49,440
you know exit polls and you find out

1717
01:19:55,490 --> 01:19:52,500
what people did in the voting to me

1718
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:55,500
that's more fun than it is in a pre-poll

1719
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:58,080
in the same way to find out from people

1720
01:20:03,290 --> 01:20:00,560
after their encounter

1721
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:03,300
rather than to talk to people about the

1722
01:20:08,689 --> 01:20:05,760
possibility of an encounter

1723
01:20:11,810 --> 01:20:08,699
I I have to say that uh

1724
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:11,820
the thing that I I think makes most

1725
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:14,880
sense is more along exactly what you

1726
01:20:18,290 --> 01:20:17,280
just said and that is

1727
01:20:20,510 --> 01:20:18,300
um

1728
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:20,520
you know I I think it's very possible

1729
01:20:26,510 --> 01:20:24,000
that we are being uh watched

1730
01:20:28,430 --> 01:20:26,520
um you know maybe that's someone as a

1731
01:20:31,010 --> 01:20:28,440
thinking I might be going out there a

1732
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:31,020
little bit uh on a limb

1733
01:20:36,590 --> 01:20:33,840
um by saying that but it does kind of

1734
01:20:39,410 --> 01:20:36,600
make you wonder if we're being uh

1735
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:39,420
observed and and watched with all the

1736
01:20:44,750 --> 01:20:41,280
you know all the sightings that go on

1737
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:44,760
and and the uh supposed a ton of

1738
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:47,040
abductions that happen and all that it

1739
01:20:53,330 --> 01:20:50,159
just kind of makes you wonder what else

1740
01:20:56,090 --> 01:20:53,340
it could be really sure and many people

1741
01:20:57,709 --> 01:20:56,100
say that they're UFO sighting fits in

1742
01:21:00,169 --> 01:20:57,719
terms of the message

1743
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:00,179
just like some people said are there

1744
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:03,440
connections between the Extraterrestrial

1745
01:21:08,689 --> 01:21:06,000
experiences and the uh

1746
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:08,699
um crop circles

1747
01:21:15,169 --> 01:21:13,199
and some UFO researchers don't want to

1748
01:21:17,330 --> 01:21:15,179
mix up those things they don't want they

1749
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:17,340
don't want me to mix up ESP and

1750
01:21:22,130 --> 01:21:18,960
reincarnation

1751
01:21:24,410 --> 01:21:22,140
and messages along with the sightings

1752
01:21:27,410 --> 01:21:24,420
they you know that's just day one with

1753
01:21:31,130 --> 01:21:27,420
one thing uh the trouble is it's like

1754
01:21:33,050 --> 01:21:31,140
saying uh we want to stay with one Topic

1755
01:21:34,729 --> 01:21:33,060
in a college now what would that topic

1756
01:21:37,370 --> 01:21:34,739
be would that be science would that be

1757
01:21:38,530 --> 01:21:37,380
history would that be art would that be

1758
01:21:41,689 --> 01:21:38,540
music

1759
01:21:43,310 --> 01:21:41,699
no if you're going to study the college

1760
01:21:47,330 --> 01:21:43,320
or university you're gonna have to find

1761
01:21:49,250 --> 01:21:47,340
that uh there are many many many topics

1762
01:21:51,770 --> 01:21:49,260
and

1763
01:21:54,050 --> 01:21:51,780
someone wants to know now I've

1764
01:21:56,689 --> 01:21:54,060
I think I've only heard someone say an

1765
01:21:58,610 --> 01:21:56,699
account of this one time before but

1766
01:22:00,590 --> 01:21:58,620
someone wants to know have you ever

1767
01:22:04,610 --> 01:22:00,600
heard about

1768
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:04,620
ET where they were dropping cars

1769
01:22:08,450 --> 01:22:06,239
I think I heard something about that in

1770
01:22:10,850 --> 01:22:08,460
a cornfield one time

1771
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:10,860
dropping cars you mean like automobiles

1772
01:22:14,570 --> 01:22:12,080
right

1773
01:22:17,570 --> 01:22:14,580
I think there was a story about that in

1774
01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:17,580
some cornfield and some Farm where this

1775
01:22:22,669 --> 01:22:19,980
came over and a car was dropped from it

1776
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:22,679
evidently picked up from somewhere else

1777
01:22:29,630 --> 01:22:25,679
oh interesting I'm not familiar with

1778
01:22:30,890 --> 01:22:29,640
that case but if I were to read it one

1779
01:22:35,810 --> 01:22:30,900
of the questions that would come to my

1780
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:35,820
mind is uh was anybody in it right then

1781
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:39,120
where was it picked up and and then you

1782
01:22:42,410 --> 01:22:40,800
know is there a connection is there a

1783
01:22:44,270 --> 01:22:42,420
message that's that's always the

1784
01:22:45,050 --> 01:22:44,280
question that comes to mind is there a

1785
01:22:47,870 --> 01:22:45,060
message

1786
01:22:49,850 --> 01:22:47,880
in the experience um

1787
01:22:52,729 --> 01:22:49,860
yeah right

1788
01:22:55,610 --> 01:22:52,739
um all the cases that you've researched

1789
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:55,620
over the years is there anyone that

1790
01:23:02,030 --> 01:22:58,560
stands out to you where you you think of

1791
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,040
it often like that was really something

1792
01:23:05,810 --> 01:23:04,560
well there have been so many I I don't

1793
01:23:09,649 --> 01:23:05,820
know you know like

1794
01:23:12,169 --> 01:23:09,659
like a woman who's from Canada cars she

1795
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:12,179
wrote about her experiences so many

1796
01:23:19,130 --> 01:23:15,199
people are about their experiences uh

1797
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:19,140
what stands out to me is not so much

1798
01:23:25,010 --> 01:23:21,120
the experience but how the person will

1799
01:23:26,990 --> 01:23:25,020
handle it just like in counseling when I

1800
01:23:28,850 --> 01:23:27,000
would work with a college student

1801
01:23:31,610 --> 01:23:28,860
there are some students who came in with

1802
01:23:35,229 --> 01:23:31,620
stories of poverty some discrimination

1803
01:23:39,890 --> 01:23:35,239
some people with sexual abuse with

1804
01:23:43,370 --> 01:23:39,900
verbal abuse or neglect there are all

1805
01:23:44,689 --> 01:23:43,380
kinds of stories of people who are

1806
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:44,699
suffering

1807
01:23:54,050 --> 01:23:48,320
what intrigues me is when the person

1808
01:23:56,270 --> 01:23:54,060
uses the suffering not only to deal with

1809
01:23:59,870 --> 01:23:56,280
his or her situation but also to help

1810
01:24:02,990 --> 01:23:59,880
others and we find this over and over

1811
01:24:04,610 --> 01:24:03,000
and over that the people who in my

1812
01:24:07,729 --> 01:24:04,620
opinion are heroic

1813
01:24:11,390 --> 01:24:07,739
are the women or the men or the boys or

1814
01:24:14,630 --> 01:24:11,400
the girls who not only learn to help

1815
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:14,640
themselves but learn to help others uh

1816
01:24:19,850 --> 01:24:16,320
on the tonight's

1817
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:19,860
um on the news we see some of the

1818
01:24:25,729 --> 01:24:21,840
stories of people

1819
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:25,739
who suffered injuries or loss of limb at

1820
01:24:30,050 --> 01:24:26,719
the Boston

1821
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:30,060
Marathon when the bombs exploded

1822
01:24:34,250 --> 01:24:31,520
and

1823
01:24:38,450 --> 01:24:34,260
some of the families of some of the

1824
01:24:41,090 --> 01:24:38,460
people may feel hate toward the bombers

1825
01:24:44,689 --> 01:24:41,100
but many of people didn't Focus so much

1826
01:24:45,890 --> 01:24:44,699
on the bombers as they focused on how

1827
01:24:48,890 --> 01:24:45,900
they learned

1828
01:24:51,770 --> 01:24:48,900
how to get an artificial egg how to walk

1829
01:24:54,169 --> 01:24:51,780
and then how to help other people who

1830
01:24:56,990 --> 01:24:54,179
are learning how to walk and so those

1831
01:24:58,910 --> 01:24:57,000
are the stories that intrigue me not

1832
01:25:01,850 --> 01:24:58,920
only overcoming suffering but helping

1833
01:25:03,890 --> 01:25:01,860
others to deal with their suffering

1834
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:03,900
right yeah

1835
01:25:08,450 --> 01:25:05,760
and I think

1836
01:25:12,890 --> 01:25:08,460
I think that is um you know part of our

1837
01:25:15,470 --> 01:25:12,900
culture and also part of how things work

1838
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:15,480
is um for instance you know you were

1839
01:25:21,050 --> 01:25:17,760
talking earlier about free and other

1840
01:25:23,630 --> 01:25:21,060
associations like that where people can

1841
01:25:25,070 --> 01:25:23,640
share you know and and the gentleman you

1842
01:25:27,470 --> 01:25:25,080
were speaking to his legs were shaking

1843
01:25:29,689 --> 01:25:27,480
he was so nervous talking about it

1844
01:25:31,490 --> 01:25:29,699
um but those people are the people I

1845
01:25:34,130 --> 01:25:31,500
have talked to seem to get a real sense

1846
01:25:36,770 --> 01:25:34,140
of relief and if this was truly

1847
01:25:39,410 --> 01:25:36,780
happening to me I don't know

1848
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:39,420
I don't know how I could you know live a

1849
01:25:47,090 --> 01:25:45,410
okay there's a

1850
01:25:48,770 --> 01:25:47,100
someone wants to know did you

1851
01:25:51,410 --> 01:25:48,780
investigate

1852
01:25:53,450 --> 01:25:51,420
um reproduction cases

1853
01:25:56,410 --> 01:25:53,460
yeah I've worked with the some people

1854
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:56,420
who say that they have a hybrid child

1855
01:26:05,450 --> 01:25:59,280
some people report being

1856
01:26:08,229 --> 01:26:05,460
on Craft and seeing the hybrid children

1857
01:26:10,030 --> 01:26:08,239
um some people feel like they have had

1858
01:26:14,510 --> 01:26:10,040
sexual

1859
01:26:17,390 --> 01:26:14,520
encounters with ETS some feel that they

1860
01:26:19,970 --> 01:26:17,400
have served more as um I don't know what

1861
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:19,980
you'd call it the implants that they

1862
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:22,800
have become pregnant without sexual

1863
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:24,239
activity

1864
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:27,840
and then later the fetus was taken and

1865
01:26:32,350 --> 01:26:30,960
they were told by ETS that that their

1866
01:26:34,610 --> 01:26:32,360
child was

1867
01:26:37,250 --> 01:26:34,620
on board

1868
01:26:40,189 --> 01:26:37,260
and circling the planet

1869
01:26:41,570 --> 01:26:40,199
uh what some people have assumed I don't

1870
01:26:44,330 --> 01:26:41,580
know I don't know if this is true but

1871
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:44,340
what some people have felt was that

1872
01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:47,040
this is a secondary program

1873
01:26:52,330 --> 01:26:49,920
the primary program is to help the

1874
01:26:54,770 --> 01:26:52,340
humans grow up and get ready for

1875
01:26:57,709 --> 01:26:54,780
returning to the Stars

1876
01:26:59,629 --> 01:26:57,719
the secondary program is if we don't if

1877
01:27:01,129 --> 01:26:59,639
we kill ourselves off when we destroy

1878
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:01,139
the planet

1879
01:27:07,010 --> 01:27:03,840
or at least destroy Humanity then the

1880
01:27:08,350 --> 01:27:07,020
hybrid children would take over and they

1881
01:27:11,209 --> 01:27:08,360
would be able to

1882
01:27:13,370 --> 01:27:11,219
replenish the planet

1883
01:27:16,669 --> 01:27:13,380
I don't know if that's true or not but

1884
01:27:18,590 --> 01:27:16,679
it's an interesting view that it's not a

1885
01:27:20,750 --> 01:27:18,600
primary program but a secondary program

1886
01:27:22,189 --> 01:27:20,760
well they'd have to live with radiation

1887
01:27:26,930 --> 01:27:22,199
because that's probably the way it would

1888
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:26,940
go out yeah probably so yeah and um you

1889
01:27:31,070 --> 01:27:28,560
know we were talking about that earlier

1890
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:31,080
and that's uh

1891
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:32,880
um I think there was a

1892
01:27:38,330 --> 01:27:35,760
some documentary I was watching about

1893
01:27:40,910 --> 01:27:38,340
the nukes and you know we have certainly

1894
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:40,920
we have cut them down but

1895
01:27:45,290 --> 01:27:43,199
um I think it's just like 20 times we

1896
01:27:49,250 --> 01:27:45,300
can blow ourselves up it's it's scary

1897
01:27:53,030 --> 01:27:49,260
and and all it's going to take is some

1898
01:27:55,790 --> 01:27:53,040
misread situation or a third world

1899
01:27:57,530 --> 01:27:55,800
country or whatever it is you know

1900
01:28:00,830 --> 01:27:57,540
engaging

1901
01:28:03,250 --> 01:28:00,840
uh it is a it is scary times and you

1902
01:28:06,530 --> 01:28:03,260
know there's nothing we can do to

1903
01:28:08,270 --> 01:28:06,540
unring the bell and oh yes oh yes there

1904
01:28:09,490 --> 01:28:08,280
are things we can do are you familiar

1905
01:28:13,189 --> 01:28:09,500
with

1906
01:28:16,669 --> 01:28:13,199
no let's hear about that there's a book

1907
01:28:18,410 --> 01:28:16,679
called zero limits zero limits by a guy

1908
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:18,420
named Joe vital

1909
01:28:25,850 --> 01:28:22,400
in Italy it'd be Vitale and Joe vitel

1910
01:28:29,770 --> 01:28:25,860
tells the story of Dr Hugh Lynn

1911
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:29,780
a PHD psychologist uh Japanese American

1912
01:28:39,530 --> 01:28:32,880
who was living in Hawaii

1913
01:28:41,629 --> 01:28:39,540
and Dr Lynn uh borrowed uh a process

1914
01:28:46,610 --> 01:28:41,639
from a woman

1915
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:46,620
a wine when she used ho opponopono in

1916
01:28:53,390 --> 01:28:49,679
dealing with contentious family issues

1917
01:28:56,330 --> 01:28:53,400
people who were quarreling with their

1918
01:28:58,669 --> 01:28:56,340
family members and

1919
01:29:01,030 --> 01:28:58,679
so he developed kind of an

1920
01:29:06,590 --> 01:29:01,040
individualized approach

1921
01:29:08,689 --> 01:29:06,600
to use it the story goes that he would

1922
01:29:09,950 --> 01:29:08,699
sit in his office and he'd look at the

1923
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:09,960
chart

1924
01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:12,719
of an inmate he was in a criminally

1925
01:29:17,149 --> 01:29:13,920
insane

1926
01:29:18,410 --> 01:29:17,159
award in hospital so there'd be rapists

1927
01:29:22,729 --> 01:29:18,420
or killers

1928
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:22,739
who were housed in the ward in the

1929
01:29:28,490 --> 01:29:25,440
prison and he would look at the chart of

1930
01:29:31,310 --> 01:29:28,500
a killer or a rapist or whoever and he

1931
01:29:34,490 --> 01:29:31,320
would send a message

1932
01:29:37,970 --> 01:29:34,500
to the universe and to the

1933
01:29:40,689 --> 01:29:37,980
individual soul of the person

1934
01:29:43,790 --> 01:29:40,699
primarily for himself

1935
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:43,800
he would he would look at the photo he'd

1936
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:45,840
say I love you

1937
01:29:51,950 --> 01:29:49,440
I'm so sorry for my perception of you

1938
01:29:53,930 --> 01:29:51,960
please forgive me thank you in other

1939
01:29:55,790 --> 01:29:53,940
words he was saying I perceive you as a

1940
01:29:57,169 --> 01:29:55,800
criminal I perceive you as a killer or

1941
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:57,179
rapist or whatever

1942
01:30:02,149 --> 01:29:59,760
but I'm sorry for my perception his

1943
01:30:06,110 --> 01:30:02,159
thesis is that um

1944
01:30:09,229 --> 01:30:06,120
he is responsible for his perceptions as

1945
01:30:12,590 --> 01:30:09,239
well as his actions now in our society

1946
01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:12,600
we uh we think we are good because we

1947
01:30:17,890 --> 01:30:15,600
are responsible for our actions if I

1948
01:30:20,330 --> 01:30:17,900
step on your toe and I break it well

1949
01:30:22,910 --> 01:30:20,340
your friends would say hey Leo come on

1950
01:30:24,649 --> 01:30:22,920
pay the medical bill for uh Martin

1951
01:30:25,490 --> 01:30:24,659
because you stepped on his toe and you

1952
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:25,500
broke it

1953
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:30,239
well if I have a perception of you that

1954
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:34,320
is bothersome to me then I can use Polo

1955
01:30:41,450 --> 01:30:38,639
to deal with my perception so uh

1956
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:41,460
what happened was intriguing

1957
01:30:46,550 --> 01:30:43,440
not only did he feel better about

1958
01:30:49,790 --> 01:30:46,560
himself working with these guys

1959
01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:49,800
but also according to observers after a

1960
01:30:52,970 --> 01:30:50,880
few weeks

1961
01:30:56,209 --> 01:30:52,980
and after a few months the shackles came

1962
01:30:57,950 --> 01:30:56,219
off the medications went down

1963
01:30:59,390 --> 01:30:57,960
the staff would come to work they were

1964
01:31:01,250 --> 01:30:59,400
no longer threatened or attacked and

1965
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:01,260
then after four or five years the award

1966
01:31:06,890 --> 01:31:03,840
was closed there are still some common

1967
01:31:09,470 --> 01:31:06,900
criminals who were sent to other prisons

1968
01:31:12,169 --> 01:31:09,480
but they were no longer insane

1969
01:31:16,729 --> 01:31:12,179
so here's a beautiful

1970
01:31:18,370 --> 01:31:16,739
process and to me it not only fits in

1971
01:31:21,530 --> 01:31:18,380
mystical

1972
01:31:25,610 --> 01:31:21,540
religious spiritual views but it also

1973
01:31:27,649 --> 01:31:25,620
fits the modern quantum physics world of

1974
01:31:31,810 --> 01:31:27,659
uh the physically say that everything is

1975
01:31:34,490 --> 01:31:31,820
connected if a person feels that the

1976
01:31:37,550 --> 01:31:34,500
people who are holding on to the secrets

1977
01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:37,560
of the ETS and the from the people who

1978
01:31:44,750 --> 01:31:41,360
are holding on to their fear of

1979
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:44,760
encroachment by ETS or by their

1980
01:31:47,450 --> 01:31:45,840
neighboring

1981
01:31:49,070 --> 01:31:47,460
uh

1982
01:31:50,470 --> 01:31:49,080
Nations

1983
01:31:53,629 --> 01:31:50,480
they can use

1984
01:31:55,550 --> 01:31:53,639
I love you I'm so sorry for my

1985
01:31:59,510 --> 01:31:55,560
perception of you you you

1986
01:32:02,890 --> 01:31:59,520
jerkhead please forgive me thank you

1987
01:32:06,110 --> 01:32:02,900
so the process

1988
01:32:07,850 --> 01:32:06,120
is meant to assist the person who's

1989
01:32:10,910 --> 01:32:07,860
going through it

1990
01:32:12,890 --> 01:32:10,920
but it seems as if the process helps the

1991
01:32:14,450 --> 01:32:12,900
rest of us too

1992
01:32:17,209 --> 01:32:14,460
um

1993
01:32:21,290 --> 01:32:17,219
have you through your long career in

1994
01:32:23,570 --> 01:32:21,300
this or or study or interest have you

1995
01:32:26,990 --> 01:32:23,580
ever been frustrated the way things are

1996
01:32:28,490 --> 01:32:27,000
going or you sort of got out of it for a

1997
01:32:30,770 --> 01:32:28,500
while or if you've been steady at it

1998
01:32:34,669 --> 01:32:30,780
ever since

1999
01:32:39,169 --> 01:32:34,679
I'll continue with it uh the

2000
01:32:41,810 --> 01:32:39,179
the frustration uh that I would feel as

2001
01:32:43,729 --> 01:32:41,820
a human is there just like when I was

2002
01:32:45,470 --> 01:32:43,739
told that I couldn't be professor of

2003
01:32:48,290 --> 01:32:45,480
psychology so I became professor of

2004
01:32:50,510 --> 01:32:48,300
counseling services and just like I was

2005
01:32:52,729 --> 01:32:50,520
told don't do

2006
01:32:54,169 --> 01:32:52,739
reincarnation research or UFO research

2007
01:32:57,110 --> 01:32:54,179
during the office hours so I'll do it

2008
01:32:58,729 --> 01:32:57,120
after hours then when I left I was told

2009
01:33:01,330 --> 01:32:58,739
you know I left the university I said

2010
01:33:05,390 --> 01:33:01,340
okay I can't continue

2011
01:33:08,050 --> 01:33:05,400
because the pressure was not only

2012
01:33:13,729 --> 01:33:08,060
to not do my research

2013
01:33:18,590 --> 01:33:13,739
the pressure was on me as a person and

2014
01:33:21,530 --> 01:33:18,600
so I would say to people and I left the

2015
01:33:26,530 --> 01:33:21,540
university and went into a private

2016
01:33:29,450 --> 01:33:26,540
practice so uh it and

2017
01:33:32,450 --> 01:33:29,460
it's better from my standpoint for me

2018
01:33:35,870 --> 01:33:32,460
not to dwell too much on hate and fear

2019
01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:35,880
for me I was taught as a Christian boy

2020
01:33:40,910 --> 01:33:37,760
that you should

2021
01:33:42,530 --> 01:33:40,920
dwell on love and compassion

2022
01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:42,540
right right

2023
01:33:48,290 --> 01:33:44,400
um on the message board someone wanted

2024
01:33:50,510 --> 01:33:48,300
to know that um they heard that someone

2025
01:33:53,570 --> 01:33:50,520
talked to heineck

2026
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:53,580
um someone from the dead I'm trying to

2027
01:33:58,910 --> 01:33:56,400
understand that exactly stating that ETS

2028
01:34:02,149 --> 01:33:58,920
were not what we think

2029
01:34:03,350 --> 01:34:02,159
and uh what the heck are they then type

2030
01:34:05,090 --> 01:34:03,360
of thing

2031
01:34:09,169 --> 01:34:05,100
that's interesting and that may be true

2032
01:34:12,110 --> 01:34:09,179
but I myself uh when I talked with Alan

2033
01:34:15,169 --> 01:34:12,120
Heineken and I was on a board we'd meet

2034
01:34:17,390 --> 01:34:15,179
each year to discuss cases I don't

2035
01:34:20,330 --> 01:34:17,400
remember him saying anything to the rest

2036
01:34:22,970 --> 01:34:20,340
of us along that line but it may be true

2037
01:34:25,250 --> 01:34:22,980
so what was he like um to work he was

2038
01:34:28,070 --> 01:34:25,260
interesting oh he was very bright and

2039
01:34:30,410 --> 01:34:28,080
very Charming a gentleman

2040
01:34:34,189 --> 01:34:30,420
a quiet sense of humor

2041
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:34,199
um and I enjoyed the work when he left

2042
01:34:42,169 --> 01:34:38,159
the group well it was no longer the same

2043
01:34:43,729 --> 01:34:42,179
um he died in 85 and it was intriguing

2044
01:34:47,830 --> 01:34:43,739
because he and

2045
01:34:50,990 --> 01:34:47,840
his Jacques valet also another PhD

2046
01:34:53,149 --> 01:34:51,000
astronomer they

2047
01:34:56,110 --> 01:34:53,159
they talked about the UFO experience

2048
01:35:01,250 --> 01:34:56,120
they

2049
01:35:02,930 --> 01:35:01,260
covered more things than just quote

2050
01:35:05,209 --> 01:35:02,940
abductions unquote you know people

2051
01:35:06,830 --> 01:35:05,219
feeling like they were taken away they

2052
01:35:09,950 --> 01:35:06,840
they worked with a lot of different

2053
01:35:11,830 --> 01:35:09,960
kinds of people and felt like there were

2054
01:35:13,669 --> 01:35:11,840
more messages

2055
01:35:16,189 --> 01:35:13,679
that were

2056
01:35:18,470 --> 01:35:16,199
available and valet of course had a more

2057
01:35:22,850 --> 01:35:18,480
historical point of view

2058
01:35:26,030 --> 01:35:22,860
and many UFO researchers and so he he

2059
01:35:30,590 --> 01:35:26,040
saw some of these kinds of stories

2060
01:35:33,290 --> 01:35:30,600
in cultural moresian cultural themes

2061
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:33,300
much more open than the average

2062
01:35:38,510 --> 01:35:35,520
researcher

2063
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:38,520
oh I see um you know we only have uh we

2064
01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:40,800
only have a minute left so real real

2065
01:35:46,430 --> 01:35:43,679
quickly that was supposedly that someone

2066
01:35:47,450 --> 01:35:46,440
had channeled high neck after he died I

2067
01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:47,460
don't know if you ever heard anything

2068
01:35:50,990 --> 01:35:49,440
did you ever hear anything about that no

2069
01:35:52,490 --> 01:35:51,000
I haven't but I'd be glad to hear about

2070
01:35:54,530 --> 01:35:52,500
it you know yeah no I don't have any

2071
01:35:58,189 --> 01:35:54,540
information on it's just that this was

2072
01:35:58,850 --> 01:35:58,199
up on the message board this has been

2073
01:36:01,370 --> 01:35:58,860
um

2074
01:36:02,390 --> 01:36:01,380
a real pleasure I consider you you know

2075
01:36:04,910 --> 01:36:02,400
an icon

2076
01:36:06,890 --> 01:36:04,920
um you know like I said your name has

2077
01:36:08,990 --> 01:36:06,900
been in print everywhere and I've heard

2078
01:36:10,669 --> 01:36:09,000
your name over and over countless times

2079
01:36:12,530 --> 01:36:10,679
and

2080
01:36:13,970 --> 01:36:12,540
um so it's been a real pleasure talking

2081
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:13,980
to you tonight well it's a pleasure

2082
01:36:17,450 --> 01:36:15,600
talking with you you allowed me to speak

2083
01:36:20,810 --> 01:36:17,460
freely and I appreciate that thank you

2084
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:20,820
well it's um it's always nice speaking

2085
01:36:25,129 --> 01:36:22,800
to people that are intelligent and have

2086
01:36:27,649 --> 01:36:25,139
an open mind I think

2087
01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:27,659
um I think it's um you know and we still

2088
01:36:33,470 --> 01:36:31,440
have no real answer but it's um it

2089
01:36:35,149 --> 01:36:33,480
really is uh interesting to hear the

2090
01:36:38,689 --> 01:36:35,159
different points of view

2091
01:36:40,010 --> 01:36:38,699
yes indeed all right well I want to

2092
01:36:42,070 --> 01:36:40,020
thank everyone for helping out with the

2093
01:36:44,930 --> 01:36:42,080
show tonight this is Martin Willis

2094
01:36:49,170 --> 01:36:44,940
reminding you to keep your eyes to the